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Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by bjz_ »

weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

1. Rust _is_ helping Firefox development, and is a key part of why Firefox is remaining competitive. And they should have the flexibility to invest back into future R&D, and into supporting the open source projects that they depend on. That's part of what makes Mozilla so great as a company, and why many of us love it.

2. For the paid version that seems fine. But it seems fair that the free version of Firefox needs to be flexible in figuring out how to find sources of revenue. For example, if they pulled the plug on the predefined search engines then Mozilla would be dead pretty soon.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by ubercow13 »

moonlit wrote: post #50
sametmax wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure you are right now paying a lot more money to companies doing a lot less efforts Mozilla is currently doing. And now you are asking even more of them, just as a condition for maybe giving them something day. See, that's one of the weirdest problem in FOSS: the fans hold them to a way too high standard, making it twice as hard to thrive. Once because it's hard to make money as an open source, benevolent…

I am not a fan of using “this” in a discussion but seriously, a million times this. You’ve clearly identified a real issue. FOSS users like parent believe they have a birth right to the software they’re using, including making decisions for the direction product is taking.

Mozilla already makes millions from us using Firefox. There's nothing to feel bad about.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by el_cujo »

sametmax wrote: post #31
weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

I'm pretty sure you are right now paying a lot more money to companies doing a lot less efforts Mozilla is currently doing. And now you are asking even more of them, just as a condition for maybe giving them something day. See, that's one of the weirdest problem in FOSS: the fans hold them to a way too high standard, making it twice as hard to thrive. Once because it's hard to make money as an open source, benevolent…

To be fair, most of these points are just asking them to NOT include a feature by default, rather than demanding they build something new before paying up.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by sokoloff »

maxsilver wrote: post #46
sametmax wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure you are right now paying a lot more money to companies doing a lot less efforts Mozilla is currently doing. And now you are asking even more of them, just as a condition for maybe giving them something day. See, that's one of the weirdest problem in FOSS: the fans hold them to a way too high standard, making it twice as hard to thrive. Once because it's hard to make money as an open source, benevolent…

I generally agree with this (FOSS fans can be wildly too demanding, especially for the tiny amount of cash donated) But is the comment above really too high a standard? If a paid version of Firefox doesn't (1) at least strip the adware out, and (2) actually fund Firefox development, then what would even be the point? If you want to blanket donate to everything Mozilla, you can already do that today. https://donate.mo…

I think a default search engine and default first tab is fine as two examples where that list of demands is excessive.

And depending on what “no network connections to third-party hosts unless I’ve explicitly opted in” means, this probably breaks CDNs, multi-host content serving, and lots of common js distribution mechanisms in ways that normal users will find confusing and result in “Firefox doesn’t work” if that’s the default it ships with.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by scandox »

I will pay for this IF they improve their PDF view/print. I know a lot of people say this, but it's just a really important feature for me which is really poor in Firefox. And I do pay for software and contribute financially to open source projects.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by DiseasedBadger »

I would do that in an instant if it:

Dropped WideVine

Dropped WebRtc

Brought back XUL Extensions

Otherwise, I'll keep using a pre-australis fork, until I probably eventually just decide to use Chrome. Firefox different distinguish itself from Chrome.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by hedora »

hajxg wrote: post #10
ForHackernews wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of Mozilla’s core privacy principles is No Surprises: we will use and share data in ways that are transparent and benefit our users. That is why we are telling you about this today. We want users to understand why we’ve taken this approach and what it means for them. While still a small experiment, the data collection and new search experience are major changes in the way this build of Firefox performs. We hope…

Yes, if you go to the Google privacy policy they surely sound the same. But the truth is that they were funnelling your data to a third party. It doesn't matter if they say it's for the benefit of their users or how transparent they are. They were sending your private data to a third party and it was on by default for some users.

https://policies.google.com/terms?hl=en

> When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps)

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by opencl »

weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

Does Firefox actually have a safe search feature?

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by pseudalopex »

sjwright wrote: post #48
weinzierl wrote: post #25

I'd be happy to pay for Firefox, but I have a few points that are important to me. They are probably not very realistic but here they are anyway: 1. I would like my money to go into Firefox development and nowhere else. I certainly don't want my money spent on their content business, even if it is used as a leverage to generate more money for Firefox development. I'm torn about Rust development because I certainly wo…

Your list of "strings attached" to Firefox are fairly weak because most represent a trivial few clicks in settings. Insisting that a piece of software must ship preconfigured exactly to your liking seems a bit selfish to me. Really though, how onerous is it to configure a fresh Firefox profile to suit your preferences? (And how often do you reset your Firefox profile anyway?) Complaints about Pocket are largely emoti…

Firefox Sync is client-side encrypted, open source, and theoretically self-hostable. Pocket is none of those.

Re: Mozilla will reportedly launch a paid version of Firefox this fall

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Post by samcday »

Finally, a proper way to vote with my wallet in the browser wars. I'm sure Firefox can make more money from me individually by allowing me to pay them, rather than funneling me through Google for some eyeball $$$s, especially since I've personally switched to DuckDuckGo.

Actually that makes me wonder - how does Mozilla currently make money off me if I've stopped using Google searches in Firefox?

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