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Post by chipotle_coyote »

scarface74 wrote: post #102
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're a regular old enterprise developer, the chances are you don't actually need a $5000 iMac Pro, either. The stock 6-core 3.7GHz i5 iMac 5K for $2300 (maybe with another ~$100 for 16GB extra third-party memory to bring it internally up to 24GB) is going to be more than up to the challenge of most tasks.

I agree about the iMac.... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20143484 And the memory... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20143664

Heh. The "buy with 8GB and add 16GB third-party" is what I actually did, although I have a Late 2015 iMac bought in early 2016. A bit over three years in and it's still feeling quite fast to me.

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Post by Thorrez »

colmvp wrote: post #10

Back in 2012, I bought the original rMBP. It fit everything I needed: it was thinner than my previous laptop as it had no optical drive, it was lightweight, it had a gorgeous screen, good enough keyboard, and seemed like a reasonable price for a higher end laptop work computer. I've used it everyday since 2012, and aside from the battery which I eventually replaced, it's been functioning without a hitch. From the 90s…

The article addresses this

>To be fair, this story hasn’t ended yet. [... T]hey still need to resolve the problematic MacBook Pro with its next generation (rumors are promising)

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Post by tjohns »

jarjoura wrote: post #69

I think Apple released this Mac Pro & Display at the wrong event. From every indication, it was designed for Hollywood. Developers don't need expansion, but Audio and Video producers do! Announcing at an LA event for producers and artists would have cleared any confusion. It wasn't designed for AI or ML either, because Apple is having a war with NVidia now, probably over component pricing, but who knows. Developers d…

Some of us were asking for this machine.

As a developer who builds large, complex projects (it's not uncommon for a build to take 40 minutes on a 16-core Xeon workstation), the Mac Pro is exactly the type of workstation I'd be interested in.

(The display is another story. That's definitely targeting the media production vertical.)

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Post by stefanfisk »

thevardanian wrote: post #100
RickSanchez2600 wrote: post #97

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With Apple making the Mac Pro so expensive it opens up the grey market for Hackintosh PCs to run MacOS at a fraction of the cost. If Apple wants to beat the Hackintosh they need an ATX based Mac that doesn't cost $5999 but more like $999 that can be upgraded with a better graphics card and etc.

Or... they can just kill the Hackintosh by preventing the OS from running on unsanctioned hardware.

I’d reckon this is part of the long term plan for the T2 chip, they just need a few years before they can stop supporting the “normal” computers.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

rangibaby wrote: post #99
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #78

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I think they probably felt they had to reveal it at this event for PR reasons, if nothing else; you're right in that this is clearly a machine made for A/V editors, but I can't see Apple introducing the new Mac Pro at NAB. A new Final Cut Pro, sure, but not a new Mac Pro. I think they dropped the ball by not having two displays, though -- the $6K Pro Display XDR for the crowd who goes "OMG that's so cheap for a monit…

> $1500 Pro Display (sans XDR) that's basically the 5K panel from the iMac Pro. Apple sells LG 5k displays for $1,299.95. AFAIK it is the same panel as the 27" iMac and iMac Pro.

I'm aware of that one, but there are folks who'd prefer to buy an Apple-branded monitor as long as there wasn't anything dreadful about it, for both aesthetic reasons and because there's usually a couple nice touches that aren't on the third-party one. I said $1500 instead of $1300 because I assume any Apple product will cost at least 20% higher than it should. :)

More to the point, it's unclear if Apple is still actually selling that LG display, though:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/09/apple-no-longer-selling-...

That headline is phrased as if it's definitive, but of course Apple hasn't said anything. But it's over a month later than that article was published, and the display is still listed as "Delivery: Sold Out" for online ordering, and it appears to be catch-as-catch-can at physical Apple stores: the ones that don't have it just list it as "unavailable for pickup."

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Post by imagetic »

mseidl wrote: post #83
linguae wrote: post #28

I’m glad that Apple is finally updating their Macs again, but at the same time Apple has doubled-down on its refusal to sell user-serviceable, upgradeable, and expandable hardware at prices that are within reach for most customers. The laptops have soldered RAM and soldered storage. The Mac Mini and iMac Pro thankfully have DIMMs, but in order to keep the warranty, you have to visit an Apple-approved repair center to…

So, about the cost. This Mac Pro is for editing 8k raw video. Which is Hollywood stuff, shot on cameras that cost 10s of thousands of dollars, on top of 100s of thousands of dollars of lenses and budgets 10s to 100s of millions.

I don't work in Hollywood, but I work heavily in production engineering for television productions that work on A LOT of 8K RAW video and multicam where time is critical, we have days to edit where hollywood has months and multicam is pretty damn taxing vs how a lot of movies operate.

Our budgets are a fraction of a hollywood production though.

The base model Mac Pro isn't going to be doing much at all. The higher end model with a lot of upgrades is going to be the sweet spot. You really need to push up to a 12-16 core, with 64-128gb RAM, 11+gb GPUs and then add the afterburner card (cause Apple won't play nice with Nvidia) if you want to be doing anything with 8K RAW on a high resolution display.

Yes, the Mac Pro is essentially an infinitely upgradable machine. That's awesome. But third party support is questionable and without Nvidia that leaves a lot of speculation as to what the afterburner card will truly be able to do.

I'd kill for that motherboard in a smaller CPU buildout. In a high budget post-facility environment, it may be an ideal candidate. Currently there isn't a Mac in our reach that doesn't overheat or choke on big media projects (we refuse to look at the iMac Pro seriously).

We've been holding off buying new gear for several years. Most of the editors I work with would prefer to stay on macOS, but the base model should have been $3500 8-Core with a lot more GPU horses. Apple delivered a $6000 box without anything to back it up. At a minimum we'd have to upgrade to a bigger GPU and add the afterburner cards and a little RAM, probably pushing us close to $10k mark.

AMD Ryzen 3000 and Threadripper builds are going to be increasingly more common for normal budget media work. The Intel i9 is our current sweet spot for budget to power ratio.

If I was in an unlimited budget post-facility, yeah, I'd get one cause it looks pretty damn cool and I love macOS. But I don't expect it to solve a lot of real world problems if upgrades are bottlenecked to proprietary offerings from Apple. We're going to have to wait and see if they can keep up with the rest of the industry.

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Post by djmobley »

thevardanian wrote: post #100
RickSanchez2600 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Apple making the Mac Pro so expensive it opens up the grey market for Hackintosh PCs to run MacOS at a fraction of the cost. If Apple wants to beat the Hackintosh they need an ATX based Mac that doesn't cost $5999 but more like $999 that can be upgraded with a better graphics card and etc.

Or... they can just kill the Hackintosh by preventing the OS from running on unsanctioned hardware.

And yet, they haven’t...

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

geerlingguy wrote: post #73
ianai wrote: post #38

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The oled touchpad is ridiculous. I never use it “as intended” and it wrecks my function key muscle memory. My laptop is actually expanding because of the battery. I’d like at least a dock that does decent, active cooling.

You should be able to get a free top case/battery replacement for the ballooning battery issue. (Just FYI)

Do you have an online source backing this up? Because people report Apple does't care, at least in some cases:

> Apple support have refused to provide any assistance, simply stating that the MacBookAir is out of warranty. They just said this behaviour (rapid expansion of a battery) "can be expected" in some cases.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3681221

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

marricks wrote: post #7
kjhughes wrote: post #4

I'll believe it when they produce a MacBook Pro that developers love again or a Mac Pro that (not yet independently wealthy) developers can afford again.

It doesn’t get me HN points to say, but I’m a developer who loves my MBP.

Me too. I have a 2017 13in and a 2018 15in. My wife has a 2018 13in as well. We’ve had some minor issues that AppleCare resolved but other than that I love how crazy fast the SSD are and how cool and quiet they generally will run.
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