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Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

overgard wrote: post #98
scarface74 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including the monitor? But $1000 cheaper is a far cry from “$8000 cheaper”. You don’t have to buy the monitor by the way....

I have a 4K (resolution) monitor that cost me about $400. It’s less fancy than a 6k (resolution) monitor but I’m also paying about a tenth the price sooo. Yeah. Let’s say 2 nice 4K monitors and a $3200 tower. That can easily compete with a 6000 dollar tower with a 6000 dollar monitor from apple, and I’m spending 4000 dollars instead of 12000. What exactly am I getting for that extra 8000 to make it worthwhile?

If all you need is the 4K monitor than the 6K monitor is not for you and you could use the same 4K monitor with the Mac Pro. Heck you could get the 5K LG monitor for $1200 and save $3800 dollars.

Nothing is forcing you to buy the 6K monitor if you don’t need it. Isn’t that the whole purpose of buying the Mac Pro over the iMac Pro that you can mix and match based on your needs?

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #81
scarface74 wrote: post #27

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You know that's an old popular meme in the Apple community... "That might work for Marco". Marco didn't come from money or have any connections. He found a job on Craigslist working for a random guy named David Karpe as his first employee. They started Tumblr and he lucked out when it got acquired by Yahoo and made a few million. But the acquisition happened after he started a blog that became popular, wrote Instapap…

If you're a regular old enterprise developer, the chances are you don't actually need a $5000 iMac Pro, either. The stock 6-core 3.7GHz i5 iMac 5K for $2300 (maybe with another ~$100 for 16GB extra third-party memory to bring it internally up to 24GB) is going to be more than up to the challenge of most tasks.

I agree about the iMac....

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20143484

And the memory...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20143664

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by root_axis »

RickSanchez2600 wrote: post #97
linguae wrote: post #28

I’m glad that Apple is finally updating their Macs again, but at the same time Apple has doubled-down on its refusal to sell user-serviceable, upgradeable, and expandable hardware at prices that are within reach for most customers. The laptops have soldered RAM and soldered storage. The Mac Mini and iMac Pro thankfully have DIMMs, but in order to keep the warranty, you have to visit an Apple-approved repair center to…

With Apple making the Mac Pro so expensive it opens up the grey market for Hackintosh PCs to run MacOS at a fraction of the cost. If Apple wants to beat the Hackintosh they need an ATX based Mac that doesn't cost $5999 but more like $999 that can be upgraded with a better graphics card and etc.

Hackintosh is fun for a tinkerer but not really practical for someone that just needs to get work done. I say this as someone who dislikes macOS and has tried the hackintosh approach in an attempt to build iOS apps without having to buy a mac. You can make it work, but it's a big pain and all bets are off when an update comes down the line.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by la_barba »

mseidl wrote: post #83
linguae wrote: post #28

I’m glad that Apple is finally updating their Macs again, but at the same time Apple has doubled-down on its refusal to sell user-serviceable, upgradeable, and expandable hardware at prices that are within reach for most customers. The laptops have soldered RAM and soldered storage. The Mac Mini and iMac Pro thankfully have DIMMs, but in order to keep the warranty, you have to visit an Apple-approved repair center to…

So, about the cost. This Mac Pro is for editing 8k raw video. Which is Hollywood stuff, shot on cameras that cost 10s of thousands of dollars, on top of 100s of thousands of dollars of lenses and budgets 10s to 100s of millions.

You will not be editing raw 8K video using the tiny 8 core CPU and 256GB storage space of the base model which the parent was referring to ($6000). Its true that for Hollywood projects, the price of this might not be a huge deal, even with the baller fully speced out model. Heck in my own industry (pharma) we're paying thousands and thousands of dollars for software that doesn't do much except have the magical 21CFR compliant sticker that regulators look for.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by root_axis »

nixgeek wrote: post #67
Barrin92 wrote: post #48

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I don't think the OP was saying that he doesn't deserve his money, but it really is absolutely absurd. Apple is an international company, worth a trillion dollars selling millions of devices. I work in the UK. I make about 80k a year pre-taxes. That's an average, if not relatively high salary for a developer. "Regular old enterprise developers" don't make 5000 bucks in two weeks, at least not in 99% of the developed…

$5k in two weeks is $130k a year, you make ~$104k a year with some currency conversion. They’re not incredibly far apart.

In a world where you pay no taxes sure, in the real world it's closer to $160k a year and almost certainly more for someone living in Europe. Even if your math was correct, 30k a year at that income level is massive, that's an extra $1000 per pay period, definitely a brow-raising sum the first time you see that boost.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

mseidl wrote: post #83
linguae wrote: post #28

I’m glad that Apple is finally updating their Macs again, but at the same time Apple has doubled-down on its refusal to sell user-serviceable, upgradeable, and expandable hardware at prices that are within reach for most customers. The laptops have soldered RAM and soldered storage. The Mac Mini and iMac Pro thankfully have DIMMs, but in order to keep the warranty, you have to visit an Apple-approved repair center to…

So, about the cost. This Mac Pro is for editing 8k raw video. Which is Hollywood stuff, shot on cameras that cost 10s of thousands of dollars, on top of 100s of thousands of dollars of lenses and budgets 10s to 100s of millions.

I’m hearing this excuse way too much. People that aren’t doing that deserve a version of a Mac Pro they can buy.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by saagarjha »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #107
mseidl wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, about the cost. This Mac Pro is for editing 8k raw video. Which is Hollywood stuff, shot on cameras that cost 10s of thousands of dollars, on top of 100s of thousands of dollars of lenses and budgets 10s to 100s of millions.

I’m hearing this excuse way too much. People that aren’t doing that deserve a version of a Mac Pro they can buy.

What's wrong with Mac Mini or iMac Pro?

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by belazeebub »

To give people a bit of perspective, the Macintosh IIfx was released in 1990 for US$8,969 which in inflation-adjusted dollars is ~$17,500 today. The PowerMacintosh 8100 released in 1994 for ~$4,250 which in today's prices is ~$7,300. The original 128kb Macintosh would be ~$6,100 in today's dollars. Those are all the bottom-end models. By contrast, a Chevy S-10 pickup truck was about $7,000 in 1990 (if my googling was accurate).

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by saagarjha »

overgard wrote: post #98
scarface74 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Including the monitor? But $1000 cheaper is a far cry from “$8000 cheaper”. You don’t have to buy the monitor by the way....

I have a 4K (resolution) monitor that cost me about $400. It’s less fancy than a 6k (resolution) monitor but I’m also paying about a tenth the price sooo. Yeah. Let’s say 2 nice 4K monitors and a $3200 tower. That can easily compete with a 6000 dollar tower with a 6000 dollar monitor from apple, and I’m spending 4000 dollars instead of 12000. What exactly am I getting for that extra 8000 to make it worthwhile?

Have you taken a look at the display? It's very good. Calling it a "6K monitor" is doing it an injustice.
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