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Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

JohnBooty wrote: post #44
scarface74 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that's an old popular meme in the Apple community... "That might work for Marco". Marco didn't come from money or have any connections. He found a job on Craigslist working for a random guy named David Karpe as his first employee. They started Tumblr and he lucked out when it got acquired by Yahoo and made a few million. But the acquisition happened after he started a blog that became popular, wrote Instapap…

I really feel like you're missing the point of "That might work for Marco, since he has a lot of money" comments. You've summed up, very neatly, why he's talented and worked hard and has earned his money. But nobody's claiming he didn't earn his bunches of money. What they're stating is a simple fact: six thousand dollar computers might make sense for somebody with a bunch of money. But not for people with more modes…

How many people with “modest means” need the Mac Pro? Like I said, my parents were the definition of middle class - a teacher and a factory worker - and I had a $4000 computer setup in 1992 going to college (see specs in another post). That would be $7300 inflation adjusted.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by natch »

I was ready to upgrade when the touchbar came out, but no, have been holding back for however many years that is. Still stuck on a 2013 MBP. Hoping Apple fixes the MBP soon. What's broken? We all know -- keyboards, needless and costly touchbar, and SSD prices out of step with market prices. Yes I know you can get it without the touchbar, but not with top of the line specs, which I usually go for.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

DDH-182 wrote: post #42

No they aren't. If Apple were listening, we wouldn't be expected to shell out $6000 for a machine where we're going to have to disable half the cores (and lose 40-60% of the remaining performance) to achieve "it might work" security (until the next Intel vuln is found). If Apple were listening they wouldn't be selling a freaking monitor stand for $1000. If Apple were listening, they wouldn't be forced to abandon bash…

The people who care about “GPL3 compliance” (what are you referring to?) are such an insignificant minority it doesn’t matter. You probably aren’t expected to buy a Mac Pro. You aren’t the target audience. There are plenty of desktop Macs that would meet your needs. What exactly was Apple suppose to use if not Intel chips at the high end?

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by BackBackBack »

scarface74 wrote: post #51
JohnBooty wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel like you're missing the point of "That might work for Marco, since he has a lot of money" comments. You've summed up, very neatly, why he's talented and worked hard and has earned his money. But nobody's claiming he didn't earn his bunches of money. What they're stating is a simple fact: six thousand dollar computers might make sense for somebody with a bunch of money. But not for people with more modes…

How many people with “modest means” need the Mac Pro? Like I said, my parents were the definition of middle class - a teacher and a factory worker - and I had a $4000 computer setup in 1992 going to college (see specs in another post). That would be $7300 inflation adjusted.

That's the whole issue. There should be a mac between the mac mini and mac pro as right now they are only addressing the extremes. And it should not be one with a screen attached to it and no expansion.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by eatfish »

OBLIQUE_PILLAR wrote: post #9
marricks wrote: post #7

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It doesn’t get me HN points to say, but I’m a developer who loves my MBP.

are you a fan of the butterfly keyboard ?

Not the OP and I wouldn't say I'm a fan but I've made some peace with it by putting a membrane cover over the top and so far: (a) not one dust related casualty in the past 18 months and (b) it subdues the clackety-clack of the keys into something that's actually quite pleasant.

However, the touchbar...still a pointless gimick.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #48
scarface74 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that's an old popular meme in the Apple community... "That might work for Marco". Marco didn't come from money or have any connections. He found a job on Craigslist working for a random guy named David Karpe as his first employee. They started Tumblr and he lucked out when it got acquired by Yahoo and made a few million. But the acquisition happened after he started a blog that became popular, wrote Instapap…

I don't think the OP was saying that he doesn't deserve his money, but it really is absolutely absurd. Apple is an international company, worth a trillion dollars selling millions of devices. I work in the UK. I make about 80k a year pre-taxes. That's an average, if not relatively high salary for a developer. "Regular old enterprise developers" don't make 5000 bucks in two weeks, at least not in 99% of the developed…

But if my parents - a teacher and a factory worker could afford it in 1992, are you really saying that a developer couldn’t?

I live in Atlanta - almost as far from the west coast of the US that you can get and salaries are much lower than the west coast. They pay developers with 3-5 years of experience $65/hour on a 1099 (Corp to Corp) basis. Since this would be a tax deductible company expense, that would be less than two weeks working.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by scarface74 »

BackBackBack wrote: post #54
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people with “modest means” need the Mac Pro? Like I said, my parents were the definition of middle class - a teacher and a factory worker - and I had a $4000 computer setup in 1992 going to college (see specs in another post). That would be $7300 inflation adjusted.

That's the whole issue. There should be a mac between the mac mini and mac pro as right now they are only addressing the extremes. And it should not be one with a screen attached to it and no expansion.

And a fully deck out Mac Mini wouldn’t suit the needs of an average self employed developer?

What expansion do you need that you couldn’t do externally on an iMac if you have “modest means” and so assume modest requirements?

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by leoc »

colmvp wrote: post #10

Back in 2012, I bought the original rMBP. It fit everything I needed: it was thinner than my previous laptop as it had no optical drive, it was lightweight, it had a gorgeous screen, good enough keyboard, and seemed like a reasonable price for a higher end laptop work computer. I've used it everyday since 2012, and aside from the battery which I eventually replaced, it's been functioning without a hitch. From the 90s…

The lack of function keys is not unprecedented, though. Well into the '90s Macs generally didn't have any. What do you use them for?

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by overgard »

scarface74 wrote: post #43
overgard wrote: post #41

Releasing a hilariously overpriced and ugly computer that can cost as much as a new car and might appeal to a niche of a niche, to me, doesn’t really demonstrate any change in direction. (I love how people keep saying “the most powerful Mac ever”. Ok, but the laptop I bought 7 months ago for 2k has about the same amount of power as the base 6k Mac and it’s not housed in a giant garish cheese grater) I say this as a p…

It’s not for you. The market that it is for are chomping at the bit to buy one. But as far as it’s “garish appearance”, that’s exactly what Pro’s were asking for something that didn’t put form over function.

Well you’re right, it isn’t for me. Which is exactly my point. I am their target market (user of creative software that’s willing to pay a bit of a premium), who has been willing to buy their computers in the past, and none of what they sell holds any appeal. It’s either ridiculously priced (Mac Pro), shoddy (MacBook) or not very modifiable (iMac) “The market” that it’s for (“creatives”) is saying things like “why can’t I get an Nvidia card?” And “I can’t afford a twelve thousand dollar computer” (what this thing costs if you pair it with the monitor)

I’ve worked in games and CAD so I’m no stranger to needing powerful computers, but those numbers are absurd and most of that software doesn’t need to run on Mac. I don’t care much about the OS I’m on and I’m perfectly fine with windows or Linux if I save 8 thousand dollars and can use a broader range of hardware.

As far as I can tell the only people that NEED macOS are iOS developers. If I’m working on films or games or design almost all of that software runs on windows.

Re: Apple Is Listening

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Post by kjhughes »

scarface74 wrote: post #34
kjhughes wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "$2100 5K iMac - 6 Core I5 3Ghz" is not a substantial improvement over my late 2013 MacBook Pro (2.6 GHz, 4 core i7), which can both travel to client sites and directly drive 2 x 3840 x 2160 pixels on my desktop displays. No new MBP's have been worth buying. The new Mac Pro is nice but crazy expensive in a configuration I'd expected to be buying in 2019.

No normal non pro computer is a substantial improvement since 2013. Computers have been "good enough" for awhile.

I'm neither interested in nor discussing here "normal non pro computer[s]". It was you who suggested a "$2100 5K iMac - 6 Core I5 3Ghz" to me. I merely explained why it doesn't, IMO, demonstrate that Apple is Listening.
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