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Ask HN: Conspiracy theory – What motivation is behind Let's Encrypt?

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Post by luczsoma » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

Some (e.g. https://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec) concluded that DNSSEC/DANE's real role would be the replacement of the TLS CA system, granting DNS-controlling entities (i.e. governments) the same cryptographic authority as CAs. Let me initiate a discussion about something that may sound absolutely ridiculous: what if Let's Encrypt was founded for the exact same long-run purpose?

The Internet Security Research Group maintaining Let's Encrypt seems quite independent. But Let's Encrypt is free. It already has 0.1% market share (https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/ssl_certificate/all) despite being on the market for only 5 years. Isn't this simply too good to be true & trusted?

Re: Ask HN: Conspiracy theory – What motivation is behind Let's Encrypt?

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Post by jamieweb » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 12:51 AM UTC

I don't personally think there's a conspiracy, but I'd definitely like to see an LE 'competitor' - one that is equally as free and open, but not in any way related to the ISRG.

LE is currently a big single point of failure, and I want to be able to point my ACME client somewhere else if I need to.

Re: Ask HN: Conspiracy theory – What motivation is behind Let's Encrypt?

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Post by phillipseamore » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

jamieweb wrote: post #2

I don't personally think there's a conspiracy, but I'd definitely like to see an LE 'competitor' - one that is equally as free and open, but not in any way related to the ISRG. LE is currently a big single point of failure, and I want to be able to point my ACME client somewhere else if I need to.

Have you checked out Buypass? https://www.buypass.com/ssl/products/acme

Re: Ask HN: Conspiracy theory – What motivation is behind Let's Encrypt?

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Post by citruspi » Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 4:09 AM UTC

phillipseamore wrote: post #3

jamieweb wrote: post #2

I don't personally think there's a conspiracy, but I'd definitely like to see an LE 'competitor' - one that is equally as free and open, but not in any way related to the ISRG. LE is currently a big single point of failure, and I want to be able to point my ACME client somewhere else if I need to.

Have you checked out Buypass? https://www.buypass.com/ssl/products/acme

Not the person you're replying to, but I'm a huge fan of Let's Encrypt and ACME.

I wasn't aware of Buypass and it looks awesome, unfortunately however it doesn't appear to support SAN or wildcard certificates which could be a dealbreaker for a few (that said, it could also be considered a feature).

But thanks for bringing it up and raising awareness of alternative ACME providers, I'm probably going to spend some time playing around with Buypass Go this week.

Edit: It also appears that Buypass Go certificates are valid for 180 days as opposed to Let's Encrypt's 90 days (haven't verified this yet), which is interesting. I've simply become accustomed to the 90 day LE validity, I'm curious why they went with 180 days.

Re: Ask HN: Conspiracy theory – What motivation is behind Let's Encrypt?

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Post by jamieweb » Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

phillipseamore wrote: post #3

jamieweb wrote: post #2

I don't personally think there's a conspiracy, but I'd definitely like to see an LE 'competitor' - one that is equally as free and open, but not in any way related to the ISRG. LE is currently a big single point of failure, and I want to be able to point my ACME client somewhere else if I need to.

Have you checked out Buypass? https://www.buypass.com/ssl/products/acme

Ah yes I've heard of them - I remember Scott Helme blogging about them a while ago.

Looks like a workable alternative, but it still seems to be a commercial organisation behind it though. We need something open, transparent and charitable ideally.