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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by lern_too_spel »

gatherhunterer wrote: post #153
lern_too_spel wrote: post #150

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Location history is opt-in. You can get your GPS location without enabling it. With iOS, there is no way to even opt out of sending your location to Apple. Your article is misleading. The same apps that build a history of your location with Android Location History turned off will build a history of your location on iOS and other platforms. It is not unique to Android. The user is well aware of it — if they search, t…

This directly contradicts your original comment. > Unlike every other phone platform, iOS does not allow a user to get their GPS location without telling Apple what it was. > apps that build a history of your location with Android Location History turned off will build a history of your location on iOS and other platforms. It is not unique to Android. The article that I quoted was to provide background to the comment…

> This directly contradicts your original comment.

No, it doesn't. Android lets you get your GPS location without telling anybody, including Google. This is the default behavior, even on Google-flavored Android devices. It is impossible to get your GPS location on iOS without telling Apple.

You're confusing Google apps that send location to Google on any platform when the app is configured to send location to Google (like search), with what the OS does regardless of which app is asking for location or whether the app itself sends location data anywhere.

> I don't think that anyone in this thread has acted in bad faith and I don't see any benefit to the quality of the conversation in accusing commenters of dishonesty, being sinister or otherwise attacking the individual rather than the issue.

You're confusing me with sbuk and izacus, who are the only people in this thread who have engaged in the behavior you describe. Please direct your scolding appropriately.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by dpkonofa »

izacus wrote: post #95
threeseed wrote: post #55

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Apple devices are repairable. They just don't make it easy for you to do it. But in every city there will be hundreds of shops which will repair it for you.

Apple is lobbying and fighting hard to ban these exact repair stores so I'm not sure that's a great argument.

That's not true at all. They're fighting to stop stores from repairing items claiming that they're using original Apple parts when they're actually refurbished.

This is the kind of misrepresentation that I'm talking about and it hurts both the "right to repair" movement and the tech industry.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by dpkonofa »

tty2300 wrote: post #96
dpkonofa wrote: post #49

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Why should they be available for 3rd party repair? If ifixit wants to do a teardown of the devices and document them then that's fine. I think it's completely reasonable for Apple to require a certification in order to get manuals, parts, and schematics. When something like a cheap, third-party screen replacement inevitably ends in an "iPhones suck, mine misses my taps and shuts off randomly", it's Apple that looks b…

The solution to this is simple, the device could cryptographically verify the parts in it and if it detects a 3rd party part then on boot it shows a message saying "An unofficial touchscreen is installed" then the user knows if the touchscreen is working shit its probably because of that and if you sell the device the buyer knows what they are getting.

This is already the case. TouchID will disable on a device with a screen that is not re-keyed. Your solution isn't simple at all because it doesn't actually address the problem.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by Fronzie »

Karunamon wrote: post #154
Nextgrid wrote: post #144

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None that they want to show you. I'm sure they still have the data and use it silently.

Based on what data?

The wifi and cell towers your phone can see, so even without using GPS. If you enable the location services of google, it keeps a history which is typically within 50 meters, within a few minutes accurate (at least in a city).

What google tracks if you disable location services, I don't know.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by dpkonofa »

izacus wrote: post #97
dpkonofa wrote: post #51

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Except that people are misrepresenting all 3 of those situations to make their point. Apple didn't slow down people's phones in order to get them to buy newer models. They actually slowed them down to extend their lifespans when the battery started to fail. While I do think that they could have communicated that better and that their current solution is pretty decent, it's a huge leap to say that this was an intentio…

Disagreeing with Apple PR (which you're repeating here ( isn't misrepresenting the issue. It's just disagreeing that Apple's official explanation is beneficial for consumers.

It's not disagreeing with Apple PR. People are saying that Apple hid the CPU slowdown from consumers to fix a problem with the batteries so that people would be forced to upgrade to newer devices. That's not true and the only evidence needed is that the release notes, which are shown to everyone before the device is updated, said exactly what the resolution and throttling were for. The only disagreement to be had is whether or not they could have been more vocal about the change (they could have) and whether putting it in the changelog was enough (it wasn't). It was absolutely beneficial to those customers suffering from the issue but it should have been communicated better which, unfortunately, is not at all what's being argued.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by tekknik »

rcw4256 wrote: post #76
reaperducer wrote: post #69

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AFAIK, you don't. An iPhone will work fine without signing in to any Apple service and you can opt out of all Apple data collection right in the device. I've set up several testing iDevices for work with no Apple accounts. The only thing you can't do without an Apple account is to use the Apple services like the App Store and iCloud and other paid services. I think even software updates can be done without an account…

What good is an iPhone without access to the App Store?

for specifically the tracking issues, i do my best to avoid installing an app. currently the only thing on my phone that didn’t come stock are various chat apps (discord, steam, twitch) and the kindle app.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by tekknik »

kartickv wrote: post #141
rcw4256 wrote: post #76

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What good is an iPhone without access to the App Store?

Good question, and we shouldn't need an account to download free apps, just as we don't on the desktop. Only when I download I paid app do I want to identify myself so that I can download it again.

You do need an app to install via the app store on a mac desktop. if you mean via external methods then jailbreak? if you’re asking for apple to allow anybody to release an ipa on a site and allow download and install then this horse is dead already

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by tty2300 »

dpkonofa wrote: post #165
tty2300 wrote: post #96

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The solution to this is simple, the device could cryptographically verify the parts in it and if it detects a 3rd party part then on boot it shows a message saying "An unofficial touchscreen is installed" then the user knows if the touchscreen is working shit its probably because of that and if you sell the device the buyer knows what they are getting.

This is already the case. TouchID will disable on a device with a screen that is not re-keyed. Your solution isn't simple at all because it doesn't actually address the problem.

The device must continue working after being repaired though.
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