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Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by maccard »

selectodude wrote: post #45
sametmax wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. And if you have enough veggies and vegans around you, you know that they can eat as much junk food as everyone else. Sugar is vegan, after all.

I don't know many skinny vegetarians. Eating nothing but carbs and butter is vegetarian and extremely unhealthy.

There are plenty of super high protein vegetatian and vegan options available. Many nuts, and pulses are in the same ballpark as even red meat.

Consider that most people aren't strictly carnivorous, and are usually pairing a burger with 600 calories of fries, and a 400 calorie bun, which is all carb.

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by ubercow13 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #18

My wife and I really enjoy both IF and BM burgers - just be sure to not overlook them! They do contain a lot of fat from vegetable oil but they are very low in cholesterol. I will trade more sodium for the advantages for me of reducing cholesterol. They really taste good. We like them on good rolls, purple onion, tomato, lettuce, and whatever sauce we feel like. Fantastic tasting burgers. There is also the advantages…

Doesn't diatary cholesterol not matter for most people?

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by notacoward »

tootie wrote: post #43
notacoward wrote: post #36

Whether intentionally or no, Kate Taylor is doing the meat industry's work for them. Pretty much nobody seems to think that plant-based burgers are interesting primarily because they're healthier. See any other top-level comment for examples. Who benefits from a story putting plant-based burgers in a bad light by "refuting" a claim nobody made or cared about? There are many answers, but "the public in general" is not…

Per the article, most consumers are interested in plant burgers specifically for health concerns. I don't understand why you'd dismiss that as irrelevant. And unless this article is factually incorrect, the reporting is entirely fair. You can't get mad because you don't like it.

Per the article, which cites one highly dubious data point to support that claim.

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by dymk »

tootie wrote: post #43
notacoward wrote: post #36

Whether intentionally or no, Kate Taylor is doing the meat industry's work for them. Pretty much nobody seems to think that plant-based burgers are interesting primarily because they're healthier. See any other top-level comment for examples. Who benefits from a story putting plant-based burgers in a bad light by "refuting" a claim nobody made or cared about? There are many answers, but "the public in general" is not…

Per the article, most consumers are interested in plant burgers specifically for health concerns. I don't understand why you'd dismiss that as irrelevant. And unless this article is factually incorrect, the reporting is entirely fair. You can't get mad because you don't like it.

The article provides no source for the “most consumers” claim. Journalists aren’t immune to making stuff up. Why would you blindly trust it?

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by aitchnyu »

doitLP wrote: post #39
perfunctory wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't do any history research on the subject but my own conspiracy theory suggests that the whole "humans have soul, animals don't" thing was invented to justify the natural world destruction.

Human-centric worldview and “only humans have souls” goes back to the dawn of recorded history. We often lived in closer confines with animals, often sleeping together for warmth, protection and to watch for predators. However killing animals for food was the way humans stayed alive when food was scarce as we pushed further into habitats that weren’t temperate. If anything I guess that the “only humans have souls” st…

People don't have to dehumanise animals to slaughter them.

American Indians thanked the spirit of the animal that just killed. Kobe husbandsmen massage, wine and dine their prized cattle. A guy in a Reader's Digest joke was surprised his daughter was delighted the cow with big blue eyes she fed through the fence ended up on her plate.

Greek-Roman traditions allowed a soul to animals. Humans have a God-given part that allow them to determine right and wrong for themselves. This passage by Marcus Aurelius, Roman emperor upto 180 AD and Stoic philosopher assumes it.

> The mind is the ruler of the soul. It should remainunstirred by agitations of the flesh—gentle and violent onesalike. Not mingling with them, but fencing itself off and keeping those feelings in their place. When they make theirway into your thoughts, through the sympathetic link betweenmind and body, don’t try to resist the sensation. Thesensation is natural. But don’t let the mind start in withjudgments, calling it “good” or “bad.”

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by cptskippy »

selectodude wrote: post #45
sametmax wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. And if you have enough veggies and vegans around you, you know that they can eat as much junk food as everyone else. Sugar is vegan, after all.

I don't know many skinny vegetarians. Eating nothing but carbs and butter is vegetarian and extremely unhealthy.

Maybe you just run in extremely unhealthy circles.

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by bjoli »

captainredbeard wrote: post #24
nextstep wrote: post #5

Veganism is not a health choice for most vegans, it’s an ethical one. Plant-based foods use fewer resources per calorie and do not require cruel treatment of animals.

If you let ruminant livestock graze in a carefully managed pattern instead of feeding them grain (grown and transported from miles away), it improves the land and reduces the amount of pollution: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI Cattle are not very efficient at converting grain to protein. It’s about 7:1. Pork is 2:1, in comparison. Poultry is close to 1:1.

Don't forget that not all lands are good carbon sinks. The Swedish department of agriculture claimed in a report (nr 25:2010 iirc. In Swedish ) that the vast majority of Swedish grazeland would not meaningfully decrease carbon emissions regardless of grazing systems

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by skummetmaelk »

seandougall wrote: post #40
sametmax wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. And if you have enough veggies and vegans around you, you know that they can eat as much junk food as everyone else. Sugar is vegan, after all.

Some sugar is vegan. Most isn’t, though most vegans I know conveniently ignore that: [1] [1] https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-sugar-vegan/

Considering sugar to be non vegan just because it has possibly been filtered using animal derived coal is not far away from considering products made by workers who consumed meat to also be non-vegan.

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by aitchnyu »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #7

"Barclays concluded that when it comes to plant-based citizens, many are "thinking that they are healthier than what they really are."" I'm assuming this was retranslated --from burger to citizen

Spell checks for fat fingers seem more likely if you compare the first 3 letters of each word: C and B - one key away, I abd U - neighbours, T and R - neighbours, I and G - far away.

Re: Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat's plant-based burgers aren't healthier

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Post by dpoochieni »

maccard wrote: post #51
selectodude wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know many skinny vegetarians. Eating nothing but carbs and butter is vegetarian and extremely unhealthy.

There are plenty of super high protein vegetatian and vegan options available. Many nuts, and pulses are in the same ballpark as even red meat. Consider that most people aren't strictly carnivorous, and are usually pairing a burger with 600 calories of fries, and a 400 calorie bun, which is all carb.

Not by any chance, when I eat nut they tend to deplete my minerals, requiring constants supplementation. Plus, I think some aminoacids are difficult to source from vegetarian sources. I personally do great on glycine (skin, eyes, hair, overall inflammation, sleep) and have not found a veggie source.
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