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‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't believe this makes it to HN, although I feel politics is off topic I can't help but to feed to this because it means so much to me. Over a million people, or 1 out of 5-7 people walked out against this tighten grip. The whole Hong Kong island is dead lock now. China has been subtly (or so much with this attempt) trying to erode our freedom, rule of law and culture. Shamefully I'm not physically in Hong Kong. Th…

Not sure that turnout is over a million. Even HKFP are being cautious and only switched from “tens” to “hundreds” of thousands about an hour ago. I do hope that you are right though! And even 1 in 10 or 15 would be remarkable. Edit: the SCMP has some turnout figures. As usual they vary wildly.¹ 1. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3013725...

I just gathered it from live video, local forum posts, news and my intuition of the size of Hong Kong island (it's all full with people still being stuck in the train system from Kowloon side). From images, it's also visually much bigger than the previous ~500K turnout protest.

But yeah it's intuition after all so I could be wrong. Still, numbers in the 60K range is just impossible.

Edit: By gather and intuition, I mean I'm getting quite a volume of confirmation bias from forum post, video comments and the hosts of the protest.

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure that turnout is over a million. Even HKFP are being cautious and only switched from “tens” to “hundreds” of thousands about an hour ago. I do hope that you are right though! And even 1 in 10 or 15 would be remarkable. Edit: the SCMP has some turnout figures. As usual they vary wildly.¹ 1. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3013725...

I just gathered it from live video, local forum posts, news and my intuition of the size of Hong Kong island (it's all full with people still being stuck in the train system from Kowloon side). From images, it's also visually much bigger than the previous ~500K turnout protest. But yeah it's intuition after all so I could be wrong. Still, numbers in the 60K range is just impossible. Edit: By gather and intuition, I m…

One of the pan-dems doubts it’s more than the aftermath of 6/4 which was ~a million, but the opening of all the roads etc. suggests more than the art. 23 protests, yes.

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #2

Hong kong is the least independent in a group of regions like mongolia or taiwan that China all lays claim to. It's an interesting lithmus test for their future behaviour in those regions. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/ROC_Admi...

That's a map of ROC (Taiwan) claims, not China.

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #6

This is huge for Hong Kong. It's not just a standard extradition agreement like existing ones made with other countries. With Hong Kong under China's foot, there is a grave risk that any -unverifiable- trumped up charge made in the Mainland against dissidents and those voicing discontent against the Chinese government would result in potential extradition to China, a country that has no rule of law and where torture…

What is the HK government getting out of this? Some lawmakers must feel the threat of being disappeared out of HK, or they have family in China?

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #14
post #6

This is huge for Hong Kong. It's not just a standard extradition agreement like existing ones made with other countries. With Hong Kong under China's foot, there is a grave risk that any -unverifiable- trumped up charge made in the Mainland against dissidents and those voicing discontent against the Chinese government would result in potential extradition to China, a country that has no rule of law and where torture…

What is the HK government getting out of this? Some lawmakers must feel the threat of being disappeared out of HK, or they have family in China?

Or they got offers of money.

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

#16
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't believe this makes it to HN, although I feel politics is off topic I can't help but to feed to this because it means so much to me. Over a million people, or 1 out of 5-7 people walked out against this tighten grip. The whole Hong Kong island is dead lock now. China has been subtly (or so much with this attempt) trying to erode our freedom, rule of law and culture. Shamefully I'm not physically in Hong Kong. Th…

Not sure that turnout is over a million. Even HKFP are being cautious and only switched from “tens” to “hundreds” of thousands about an hour ago. I do hope that you are right though! And even 1 in 10 or 15 would be remarkable. Edit: the SCMP has some turnout figures. As usual they vary wildly.¹ 1. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3013725...

Drone crowd counting needs to be basic part of modern journalism.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327765209_Scale-Ada...

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #13
post #2

Hong kong is the least independent in a group of regions like mongolia or taiwan that China all lays claim to. It's an interesting lithmus test for their future behaviour in those regions. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/ROC_Admi...

That's a map of ROC (Taiwan) claims, not China.

Yep:

  - ROC: Republic Of China (Taïwan)
  - PRC: People's Republic of China (China)

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #6

This is huge for Hong Kong. It's not just a standard extradition agreement like existing ones made with other countries. With Hong Kong under China's foot, there is a grave risk that any -unverifiable- trumped up charge made in the Mainland against dissidents and those voicing discontent against the Chinese government would result in potential extradition to China, a country that has no rule of law and where torture…

Is there a point to this? Isn’t Hong Kong already a part of sovereign China? Doesn’t China already freely “extradite” anyone they want from Hong Kong?

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #6

This is huge for Hong Kong. It's not just a standard extradition agreement like existing ones made with other countries. With Hong Kong under China's foot, there is a grave risk that any -unverifiable- trumped up charge made in the Mainland against dissidents and those voicing discontent against the Chinese government would result in potential extradition to China, a country that has no rule of law and where torture…

Is there a point to this? Isn’t Hong Kong already a part of sovereign China? Doesn’t China already freely “extradite” anyone they want from Hong Kong?

Not legally. No. There is currently no extradition of any kind between China, Hong Kong, and Macau.

Re: ‘No to China extradition’ – Hong Kong protest against controversial new law

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post #6

This is huge for Hong Kong. It's not just a standard extradition agreement like existing ones made with other countries. With Hong Kong under China's foot, there is a grave risk that any -unverifiable- trumped up charge made in the Mainland against dissidents and those voicing discontent against the Chinese government would result in potential extradition to China, a country that has no rule of law and where torture…

Is there a point to this? Isn’t Hong Kong already a part of sovereign China? Doesn’t China already freely “extradite” anyone they want from Hong Kong?

Not for another 30-something years...
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