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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by jhanschoo »

fc373745 wrote: post #89
walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

>So what happened? Were listening devices found at the Nortel Campus or not? The Department of National Defence keeps changing its story on that issue. >But after the Citizen article was published, Julie Di Mambro, spokeswoman for then Conservative Defence Minister Rob Nicholson, noted in a statement that, “security officials have assured us that they have not discovered any bugs or listening devices.” The first arti…

Note that it is possible that for political or national security reasons they decided not to provide a public statement for the matter. I've seen a news story reporting similarly about espionage victims unwilling to go public on the matter due to lack of benefit on it, though I don't think I can find it now.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by jhanschoo »

cherioo wrote: post #160

What I had hoped to see discussed about these IP thief story is, what is our IP protection system doing. The patent and copyright system that has been the bane of every IP court case, are those system simplify disfunctional is the one use case that they're suppose to address? Are huge corporation like Nortel/Samsung/Cisco suddenly too small to defend for themselves, in the US and EU, where I would assumed to be the b…

These IP policies only work nationally, and internationally among friendly countries that respect IP treaties (Hint: China isn't one of them).

Next, these countries still get to export goods containing the stolen technology back to countries where the IP was stolen (perhaps via third-party distributors), since there is typically no provision barring that.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by jessaustin »

shrewduser wrote: post #157
jessaustin wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I care about someone in China knowing about my doctor's appointment or recent sports browsing? Why would anyone in China care to know about it?

I certainly would if I were to employ you.

Wow, a political test for employment. I appreciate your honesty, at least.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by sschueller »

wangii wrote: post #183

surprised? I don't think so, after all Huawei had admitted in video: 'We lie, we cheat, we steal!', and Chinese applauded! shame on them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OifY3sqrmXQ

"Good artists copy great artists steal" [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by [deleted] »

pupdogg wrote: post #114
ghostpepper wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not doubting you but it would be great to link to one/several of those stories. A quick google search turns up a CBC article from 2012 where a former Nortel exec alleges Huawei hacking, and also, amusingly, this HN story.

It's fair to say that, in 2019, Huawei scale money can buy you online reputation...including removal of any documented instances that might hurt its image. After all, Google was their partner for a good amount of time.

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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by eastendguy »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #197
katbyte wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because I trust those organizations (and even the American government) more the China as much as I hate to admit it. I don’t think you can really compare the companies.

I on the other hand, don't think China has the extrajudicial reach of the U.S. (yet?) & as an EU citizen I don't trust either the U.S., nor China, but I think my own government would not bow down to Chinese pressure, (i.e. to hand over info about me etc.), as they regularly do to American one, certainly not as easily. I don't think Kim Dotcom would have a military style raid on his house in NZ done on behalf of the C…

I think he would. Look how the EU/NZ is not helping Taiwan - in order to not offend China. It is a shame.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by m0zg »

choonway wrote: post #182
m0zg wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I meant to say, there was a bit of an arms race going on, especially in higher education. The professors and teachers knew many (if not all) students were cheating, so they adjusted the difficulty accordingly, so that, as you point out, not everyone gets an A. I don't know if it's still going on. And I did have a few professors which considered it a problem if more than half of their class passed the first time…

Such professors... have another reason for failing half the class... They have to fail a number of students so that his class size maintains the numbers to avoid unwanted attention from the administration. If let's say the normal class size was about 20, but you only get about 15 new students each semester, so you fail 5 of them (or more accounting for dropouts) to make up the numbers.

That's not how it worked in Russia at the time (don't know how it is now). You chose the profession to pursue, the curriculum was fixed and tailored to that profession. The side effect of this is class sizes were fixed, since everyone in the cohort studied the same things. In fact for my profession there were several parallel cohorts. We started out with about 100 people in total, and by graduation it was something like 30-35, the rest dropped out because shit's hard.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by elorant »

scarejunba wrote: post #150
ineedasername wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without even getting into the "is personal piracy wrong" issue, it's pretty easy to draw a line between an individual downloading songs from pirate bay and a major corporation pirating IP wholesale and then making a business out of reselling the derivative products.

Without entering the entire debate, I was only intending to talk about the "Ask the plaintiff" style. Obviously the plaintiff is going to think something's wrong. That's what being the plaintiff is.

Fair enough

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by lagadu »

wolco wrote: post #137
riffraff wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this downvoted? Industrial spying is punished in the west.

Political forces you don't fully understand prevented it. A WTO case would have been easier.

> Political forces you don't fully understand

This is exactly as useful and trustworthy as saying "A wizard did it".

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by frequentnapper »

dnomad wrote: post #80
walrus01 wrote: post #21

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei: a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectivel…

What a bunch of pure bullshit. 1. None of those links provide anything like evidence or support of your accusations. 2. It's absolutely remarkable that Huawei had somehow committed all these crimes and yet nobody has ever managed to prove anything significant in a court of law. All we get are wild accusations and law suits that get thrown out. Here's the really remarkable aspect here: the US government doesn't need t…

good riddance.
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