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The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by TomMckenny »

mistermann wrote: post #101
lwelyk wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stefan Molyneux? Are you serious? Here's a video from him where he says he can't "argue with the facts" about white nationalism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWYFU7OMw58&feature=youtu.be... Here are choice quotes with sources: “The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!” —Podcast FDR2740, “Conformity and the Cult of ‘Friendship’,” Wednesday call-in show July 2, 2014 "Screaming 'racism…

> Are you serious? Yes I am. Are you serious? If so, accept my challenge, starting with an authoritative definition of white supremacy. What you've done instead, you've skipped that and proceeded directly to cherry-picked, out of context and misleading sound bytes. For example, in "The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!", he is referring to "crazy" people, not non-white people. Or, i…

> "The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!", he is referring to "crazy" people

It's remarkable that extremism has gone so far that advocating eugenics is defended as mainstream.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by mistermann »

TomMckenny wrote: post #121
mistermann wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you serious? Yes I am. Are you serious? If so, accept my challenge, starting with an authoritative definition of white supremacy. What you've done instead, you've skipped that and proceeded directly to cherry-picked, out of context and misleading sound bytes. For example, in "The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!", he is referring to "crazy" people, not non-white people. Or, i…

> "The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!", he is referring to "crazy" people It's remarkable that extremism has gone so far that advocating eugenics is defended as mainstream.

I'm trying to figure out if I agree with your or not, but once again we have an unfortunate lack of clarity when it comes to terms.

There are a variety of formal definitions (not to mention casual, conversational interpretations / "dog whistle" characterizations) for the word "eugenics" - if you don't mind, could you provide clarity on which one your comment specifically refers to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Meanings_and_types

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by TomMckenny »

mistermann wrote: post #122
TomMckenny wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The whole breeding arena of the species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!", he is referring to "crazy" people It's remarkable that extremism has gone so far that advocating eugenics is defended as mainstream.

I'm trying to figure out if I agree with your or not, but once again we have an unfortunate lack of clarity when it comes to terms. There are a variety of formal definitions (not to mention casual, conversational interpretations / "dog whistle" characterizations) for the word "eugenics" - if you don't mind, could you provide clarity on which one your comment specifically refers to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen…

Here's a well documented attempt to clear the gene pool of "crazy" people. Use whatever word you want for it. English speakers call it eugenics.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800142/

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by dang »

golergka wrote: post #120
mercer wrote: post #23

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"Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage. This is not a difficult issue. #settlementsrock" - Ben Shapiro

All completely true.

This sort of flamebait will get you banned on HN. No more of it please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by mistermann »

TomMckenny wrote: post #123
mistermann wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm trying to figure out if I agree with your or not, but once again we have an unfortunate lack of clarity when it comes to terms. There are a variety of formal definitions (not to mention casual, conversational interpretations / "dog whistle" characterizations) for the word "eugenics" - if you don't mind, could you provide clarity on which one your comment specifically refers to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen…

Here's a well documented attempt to clear the gene pool of "crazy" people. Use whatever word you want for it. English speakers call it eugenics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800142/

> Here's a well documented attempt to clear the gene pool of "crazy" people.

As I pointed out, there are many definitions of the word, your link documents one of them.

Would you minding explaining the relevance of that link to my question? Are you suggesting this is meaningfully similar to what Stefan Molyneux meant when he used the word "crazy" in the the video linked above, and also that he is advocating sterilizing and murdering the people he is referring to? If so, for the former, could you explain the similarities you see, and for the latter, explain how that conclusion follows? I see no strong connection for either.

And if you aren't suggesting this is meaningfully similar, then perhaps you could describe the relevance of that document to the discussion of whether Stefan Molyneux is literally a white supremacist.

> Use whatever word you want for it.

I'm making no assertion, so my choice of words or meanings isn't terribly important, I am only trying to ensure that I am understanding your meaning and avoiding putting words in your mouth, because doing such a thing is intellectually dishonest and often counter-productive.

> English speakers call it eugenics.

There are many different meanings for that word, could you provide clarity on which meaning you are referring to?

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by username90 »

lwelyk wrote: post #99
coldtea wrote: post #74

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That's a cyclical argument if I ever saw one - plus adding the weasel term "deep-right". Yeah, white supremacists are scum. Why mention them though? We were talking about right/conservative youtubers here (in fact my question asks exactly about right/conservative). Where does the "deep right" come in? Are the ones shown in the screenshots "white supremacists"? E.g. Shapiro, Watson, Peterson, for a few I recognize. Ha…

What word would you prefer I use? I was trying to avoid painting the right wiht that brush by using it, but I'll not use that term then. The guy in the article watched a lot of Stefan molyneux videos and he's a white supremacist. That's what the article was about, that's why I brought up white supremacists. You go down that youtube rabbit hole and you just get the "race realists" eventually. That's the topic of the a…

I'm not a native English speaker, but isn't there a huge difference between "race realists" and "white supremacists"? Isn't a "race realist" someone who argues that there are significant genetic differences between races while a "white supremacist" is someone who argues that whites should rule over the other races?

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by username90 »

IWeldMelons wrote: post #116
oh_sigh wrote: post #30

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The right has always hated abortion in recent memory, but I think you've gone too far in saying that most conservatives think abortion is murder. Some of the extreme rightists, usually of the religious variety, think that abortion is murder, but rank and file conservatives will probably not tell you that they a woman who gets an abortion(even illegally) should go to prison for life for first degree murder and conspir…

The most interesting thing though, is that the Scandinavian Countries (the leftiest in Europe) have the toughest regulations about abortions - the cut-off term AFAIR is only 12 weeks vs 24 in USA.

Sweden which is the largest Scandinavian country allows it up to 18 weeks with no questions asked, after that you need to apply.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by TomMckenny »

mistermann wrote: post #126
TomMckenny wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a well documented attempt to clear the gene pool of "crazy" people. Use whatever word you want for it. English speakers call it eugenics. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2800142/

> Here's a well documented attempt to clear the gene pool of "crazy" people. As I pointed out, there are many definitions of the word, your link documents one of them . Would you minding explaining the relevance of that link to my question? Are you suggesting this is meaningfully similar to what Stefan Molyneux meant when he used the word "crazy" in the the video linked above, and also that he is advocating sterilizi…

> Are you suggesting this is meaningfully similar to what Stefan Molyneux meant...

It is exactly what Molyneux meant by "clear the breeding arena of "crazy" people" because, as I'm sure you noticed, that is the one and only thing that phrase means: the techniques for clearing being exactly two: sterilization or death.

>There are many different meanings for that word, could you provide clarity on which meaning you are referring to?

>there are many definitions of the word, your link documents one of them.

I only know one definition and, as you say, you now have it. If you have other definitions in mind, my guessing them is irrelevant: I am obviously not using them. Beyond that I can not help except with this link[1].

But use another word if you wish, the utterances used to denote a fact don't alter it. Alas, sometimes when a thesis is indefensible, rhetoricians derail the topic into nonsensical minutiae rather than address the point. It would be regrettable if that were happening.

[1]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eugenics

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Post by razius »

rjf72 wrote: post #79

This article just included Milton Friedman in a collage that seems to imply he was a conspiratorial, racist, misogynist? For those who might not know who he was, here is is Wiki entry. [1] He's a nobel prize winning economist and more or less critical reading to understand the logic behind much of our current economic processes, without casting judgement on the rightness or wrongness of said systems. He died 13 years…

Yes, most likely they are trying to label him as far-right as well. Remember they support Marxism which is against a free economy.
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