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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by pravda »

spectramax wrote: post #106
pravda wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in the USA, American industry got its start by stealing British technology. At this point, China copying foreign technology is just the path of least resistance. Eventually, China will be doing the innovating.

I really despise this kind of reasoning. You’re literally comparing 200 year old history and justifying modern IP theft, and projecting forward.

I am not justifying, just describing.

As far as the other issue goes, Chinese not being creative due to [insert reason here], I think that is just silly.

I am sure the British said, "those dumb Yanks, they can only copy, can't create anything."

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by exergy »

dang wrote: post #130
scoot_718 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice comment history.

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN. That only makes this place worse. Also, please don't post unsubstantive comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think it was a very valid thing to post. His comment made me dive into OPs history to discover that he might as well be a paid propaganda spreader. Or at the very least not someone worth engaging or taking seriously. Why is it considered unsubstantive?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by deroisas2y »

spectramax wrote: post #106
pravda wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in the USA, American industry got its start by stealing British technology. At this point, China copying foreign technology is just the path of least resistance. Eventually, China will be doing the innovating.

I really despise this kind of reasoning. You’re literally comparing 200 year old history and justifying modern IP theft, and projecting forward.

In the 80s, Japan stole American IP, and now innovates. 30 years ago.

In the 90s, Korea stole Japanese IP, and now innovates. 20 years ago.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by cherioo »

jxramos wrote: post #20

Do these companies ever actually innovate and build social/intellectual capital beyond reverse engineering skills or are they gaming to pollute the waters so much that they risk sacrificing the golden goose to whom they steal ideas? This all sort of reminds me of the quip communism or socialism only works until those in charge spend all the money of those who are productive. If IP and the R&D expenses never become pr…

Yes. One of which is the innovation they had done recently in 5G, where China scored 34% of essential patent [1]. Except, we all know what US decides to do when another superpower is threatening it.

Technology are always developed this way: learn (sometimes not so nicely), catch up, and then innovate. An random country can't innovate itself to a 5G/technology super power immediately.

What I never get from this accusations is, why aren't these company suing to ban Huawei sales if the copying is so blatant. Have they not heard of the patent system? Is Cisco/Nortel suddenly a small company that cannot afford to sue and/or have a vast arsenel of patents?

[1] https://venturebeat.com/2019/05/02/china-dusts-the-u-s-finla...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by deroisas2y »

rhizome wrote: post #102
Leary wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shocking this kind of stereotyping is not only allowed but upvoted to first place on HN.

Are they doing the stereotyping, or are they identifying instances of it? That is, people not avoiding the stereotype. I doubt it's a mystery, I know the stereotypes of white people and white men, and I strive to counteract them. As far as I know it's the only way to fight stereotypes.

Let’s apply the Jewish Litmus Test to this. If I were to identify instances of Jewish crime, and then say, “it’s their culture,” would that be racist?

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by deroisas2y »

whitexn--g28h wrote: post #127
scoot_718 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice comment history.

Definitely a good read, reminds on when I was in Hong Kong and my guide would always say June 4 Incident around tourists from the PRC. The mainlanders would always immediately start defending the government.

I thought Chinese didn’t know about the it? I guess the media is wrong about that.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by shrewduser »

jessaustin wrote: post #84
Whatarethese wrote: post #31

I'd be throwing my phone in the trash right about now. I would venture to guess all Huawei data is going to China.

Why would I care about someone in China knowing about my doctor's appointment or recent sports browsing? Why would anyone in China care to know about it?

I certainly would if I were to employ you.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by tepidandroid »

exergy wrote: post #152
dang wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't cross into personal attack on HN. That only makes this place worse. Also, please don't post unsubstantive comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think it was a very valid thing to post. His comment made me dive into OPs history to discover that he might as well be a paid propaganda spreader. Or at the very least not someone worth engaging or taking seriously. Why is it considered unsubstantive?

It's unsubstantive because it's purely conjecture.

Not everyone who has a differing view from the common consensus is a "paid propaganda spreader" and a differing view does not make someone any less worthy of engaging or taking seriously.

I would not classify the OP's post as unsubstantial. He makes an effort to type fully formed opinions and many of his comments are backed by citations. If you want to see an example of objectively unsubstantive posts, please see [1]. You will only find one-liners and unsubstantiated, inflammatory statements.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=scoot_718

By the way, your comment also break HN's rules on accusing others of astroturfing:

> Please don't make insinuations about astroturfing. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried, email us and we'll look at the data.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by matz1 »

spectramax wrote: post #106
pravda wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in the USA, American industry got its start by stealing British technology. At this point, China copying foreign technology is just the path of least resistance. Eventually, China will be doing the innovating.

I really despise this kind of reasoning. You’re literally comparing 200 year old history and justifying modern IP theft, and projecting forward.

Stealing works. If the benefit > risk, they should do it.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by cherioo »

What I had hoped to see discussed about these IP thief story is, what is our IP protection system doing. The patent and copyright system that has been the bane of every IP court case, are those system simplify disfunctional is the one use case that they're suppose to address?

Are huge corporation like Nortel/Samsung/Cisco suddenly too small to defend for themselves, in the US and EU, where I would assumed to be the biggest market? Is the Samsung that got sued for rounded-corner phone not thought of to patent their technique to put oled onto curved glass? (which sounds extremely patent worthy)

edit: grammar

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