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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#21

Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

Android also has a terrible issue with not having good options on this front. You have to either not download the video game that needs open access to your contacts or micromanage some sketchy looking app that will help you “block” these sorts of things.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#22

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

Apple can both make choices and improve user security and make choices that hurt user's ability to repair their devices. They should obviously be commended for things like this app tracking, but that doesn't mean they don't do bad things.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#23

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1].

[1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Never allow" already exists. The user can deny location access when it is first requested, or can disable location access through Settings. "Provide fake location" is not necessary, because apps which fail to work when you deny location access are rejected during App Store review.

Well Pokemon Go basically doesn't work without location and it wasn't rejected.

I'm not familiar with the AppStore guidelines myself, but for the most part pokemon go only needs your location while using the app. perhaps that makes a difference?

there are some pokemon go features (adventure sync) gated behind always-on location access, but it isnt required.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#25

Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

What are the other reasons?

- I could never get used to the keyboards

- The devices I owned were generally pretty slow, or got slow over time

- iMessage lock-in

- Hundreds of dollars invested in Apple purchases

- The app ecosystem, while giant, always seemed to be junky to me

- a few iOS-only apps

- I never found a decent SMS from desktop solution, although I'm sure they are out there

- Vaguely superior hardware

- Animojis is probably the biggest one

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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post #19

It seems a bit extreme to offer apps one of two extremes: either my sub-metre location or no location at all. It seems the reasonable default for location sharing should be something like sharing the rough suburb that I'm in. This solves most use-cases such as showing closest store locations, delivery options, dating apps showing nearby matches, etc. It's only the occasional navigation app that needs to know exactly…

That’s why iOS 13 added a share location once button, in addition to the existing share forever and share forever even when the app isn’t running.

That's a good feature but quite different, if the user is at home when they need to use the app that first time then it reveals where the user lives and possibly personally identifies them.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#27
post #23

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1]. [1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

> they were proven to degrade old software to strong-arm users to update

They never did this.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#28
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s why iOS 13 added a share location once button, in addition to the existing share forever and share forever even when the app isn’t running.

That's a good feature but quite different, if the user is at home when they need to use the app that first time then it reveals where the user lives and possibly personally identifies them.

Your IP address when on WiFi almost certainly can be connected to a specific address by a databroker. That doesn't mean location shouldn't be limited in resolution, but there are other ways to get the same thing.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

#29

Good gravy this would be an abysmal report on Android. In my experience many of the free utility apps and games I downloaded required location tracking for no good reason. I’m on iOS for that (and other) reasons.

Android also has a terrible issue with not having good options on this front. You have to either not download the video game that needs open access to your contacts or micromanage some sketchy looking app that will help you “block” these sorts of things.

That changed several versions ago.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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post #23

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1]. [1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

> I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple'l. For example, Apple has never had replaceable batteries.

Not only have many apple devices had replaceable batteries, I actually own an apple battery charger (model MC500LL/A)

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