Huawei Accused of Technology Theft • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by walrus01 » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:23 AM UTC

It's well known in the telecom/internet infrastructure business that Huawei:

a) bugged the hell out of Nortel's ottawa area offices, both physically, by rootkit, and by getting their own people hired to physically smuggle out documents and design data

b) Copied the entire DWDM / optical transport product line

c) Released a nearly identical product a few years later, and sold it at a ridiculously low price, effectively killing Nortel.

Many years later the vacant ex-Nortel office buildings came up for lease. One of the candidate tenants for that large of an office space were parts of the Canadian federal government, ministry of defence, etc. Every serious tenant passed on the space because it's so riddled with bugs.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/the-my...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/dnd-may-abandon-1b-move-to-for...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/department-of-...

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by m3kw9 » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:28 AM UTC

prateeekm wrote: post #14

mymindstorm wrote: post #3

> Huawei Accused Of Technology Theft In other news, water is wet.

debatable

Anything ever existed is debatable.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by maxioatic » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:28 AM UTC

chlee wrote: post #5

Wall Street Journal has recently published an article [1] detailing some of the most high profile technology thefts and espionage related to Huawei. According to the article, here's a list of thefts and espionage attributed to Huawei, employees of Huawei, or people related to Huawei. 1. Stealing tech at tradeshows: On a summer evening in 2004, as the Supercomm tech conference in Chicago wound down, a middle-aged Chin…

I got to #4 and wondered if this was propaganda. Seems too ridiculous

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by nik_0_0 » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:30 AM UTC

chlee wrote: post #11

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you reformat your post so it's easier to visually see the number of distinct instances of theft?

updated the formatting. Hope it makes the text easier to read.

Very easy to read. Thanks for the informative summary!

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by manfredo » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:32 AM UTC

prateeekm wrote: post #14

mymindstorm wrote: post #3

> Huawei Accused Of Technology Theft In other news, water is wet.

debatable

Good point. Water is not wet in its frozen state. One could easily make the argument that the majority of water in the universe is not wet.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by scarejunba » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:33 AM UTC

Youcandothis wrote: post #19

chlee wrote: post #5

Wall Street Journal has recently published an article [1] detailing some of the most high profile technology thefts and espionage related to Huawei. According to the article, here's a list of thefts and espionage attributed to Huawei, employees of Huawei, or people related to Huawei. 1. Stealing tech at tradeshows: On a summer evening in 2004, as the Supercomm tech conference in Chicago wound down, a middle-aged Chin…

Most of this is not stealing, but instead copying and spying.

Curious pattern here where knowledge of secrets is considered stealing or not stealing depending on the subject.

I wonder if it's just different people reading or if the community itself views it differently.

After all, "it's not stealing if you have your copy" does mean parent is right.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:34 AM UTC

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #9

chlee wrote: post #5

Wall Street Journal has recently published an article [1] detailing some of the most high profile technology thefts and espionage related to Huawei. According to the article, here's a list of thefts and espionage attributed to Huawei, employees of Huawei, or people related to Huawei. 1. Stealing tech at tradeshows: On a summer evening in 2004, as the Supercomm tech conference in Chicago wound down, a middle-aged Chin…

Can you reformat your post so it's easier to visually see the number of distinct instances of theft?

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Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by elorant » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:35 AM UTC

Youcandothis wrote: post #19

chlee wrote: post #5

Wall Street Journal has recently published an article [1] detailing some of the most high profile technology thefts and espionage related to Huawei. According to the article, here's a list of thefts and espionage attributed to Huawei, employees of Huawei, or people related to Huawei. 1. Stealing tech at tradeshows: On a summer evening in 2004, as the Supercomm tech conference in Chicago wound down, a middle-aged Chin…

Most of this is not stealing, but instead copying and spying.

Try telling that to Cisco

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by louis8799 » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:37 AM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #25

prateeekm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

debatable

Good point. Water is not wet in its frozen state. One could easily make the argument that the majority of water in the universe is not wet.

Except for it is called ice.

Re: Huawei Accused of Technology Theft

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Post by comboy » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 1:41 AM UTC

m3kw9 wrote: post #22

prateeekm wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

debatable

Anything ever existed is debatable.

That's debatable.