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New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by jhayward »

4ntonius8lock wrote: post #135
marcinzm wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It wasn't that I hadn't earned it. It was because the old farts on the board wouldn't take me seriously. Except getting them to take you seriously is part of your job in upper management. Age matters but your view of them as old farts makes me suspect you did nothing to gain their favor in other ways. As someone else said, those ways have little to do with job based merit.

I find it suspect how as soon as I say young people get discriminated on, a bunch of people who I'd assume are older than in their 20s, come out and defend such discrimination. I'm not that young anymore. I called them old farts because that is what they were. They discriminated on me based on my age alone, so that makes them old farts in my book. I wouldn't have been considered for the director position without any…

I suspect that the incivility and self-righteousness that comes through in these comments may have lead some to think that the poster needs some time to gain perspective, and wisdom, about how to deal with everyone with respect.

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by madengr »

kqr2 wrote: post #182
madengr wrote: post #174

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Wrong movie. Logan’s run would be more appropriate; Carousel.

In Logan's Run , however, most of the people voluntarily retired themselves in Carousel.

Ha ha, but they still had sand men.

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by 4ntonius8lock »

marcinzm wrote: post #187
stale2002 wrote: post #186

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I don't really care. People who engage in age discrimination, against young people, should be fired or fined out of existence. Discrimination is discrimination.

So every car insurance and car rental company should be removed? After all, they all charge higher rates to young people irrespective of years actually driving. I mean, sure science says the human brain doesn't mature until mid 20s and sure young people have much higher rates of accidents. But, damn it, we should just wipe them all out anyway, right?

It is my experience that when people resort to sarcasm they have lost the argument and can't face it.

But I'll address what you are saying:

Insurance can charge people without using ageism.

Before, insurers found that black people needed to pay more. After all, they were barbaric said the insurers. Then it became illegal.

Insurance companies still exist. Doing away with barbaric old practices is a good thing and as has happened when women got the right to vote, or civil rights, or other major positive reforms, the world continued on without falling apart.

It's sad that even in a rationalist place like hacker news, ageism is still something that can be openly admitted to. At least racists and sexists generally have to hide their ignorance if they don't want to be shunned by society.

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by vageli »

luckydata wrote: post #180
epc wrote: post #151

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Mostly retired. Stopped worrying about finding FTE 5-6 years ago and focused on making the cash I had work for me on a more immediate time scale. I do some advisory work with local startups for equity. Angel invested for awhile but stopped as mentioned elsewhere in an earlier thread. Would love to work again in tech but have never cracked getting on recruiters’ radar and I have better things to do than play whack—a-m…

I'm going to rock your world: almost nobody uses the keyword scanners in the ATSs. Sending a resume is mostly a waste of time, if you find a job you like just speak to someone that works at that company, preferably the hiring manager, and your likelihood of at least getting an interview goes up by about two orders of magnitude. Happy to teach you other tricks if you care for it.

> I'm going to rock your world: almost nobody uses the keyword scanners in the ATSs. Sending a resume is mostly a waste of time, if you find a job you like just speak to someone that works at that company, preferably the hiring manager, and your likelihood of at least getting an interview goes up by about two orders of magnitude. Happy to teach you other tricks if you care for it.

How are you supposed to find out the hiring manager's name from a job post? I'd be curious to hear some of these tricks.

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by radlad »

spork12 wrote: post #85
pmiller2 wrote: post #19

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Interesting. What region do you live in, and how do you think your bottom line compares to what you’d see in a comparable role in the Bay Area? I’m not really architect / principal level just yet (probably 3-5 years of continuous improvement from that I would say), but I feel like I’m just barely getting ahead as a senior making $200k paying $2300/month in rent with no hope to buy and about a 40-60 minute commute (de…

I'd like to toss North Carolina out there as a great up and coming tech hub as well. Cheap living and lots of software jobs.

Where are the software jobs in NC? Who's hiring?

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by supertrope »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #44

Is it just me or is there a way lower bar for evidence when it comes to age discrimination in tech on Hackernews compared to gender or race discrimination. I’m not saying that it’s not a real phenomenon, but pretty much all the evidence I’ve seen is anecdotal or fairly weak. While it’s true that a lot of older people are great programmers, I also think programming ability is only about 50% of what most people are loo…

Everyone gets older, race is static.

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by vageli »

oblio wrote: post #178
pmiller2 wrote: post #19

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Interesting. What region do you live in, and how do you think your bottom line compares to what you’d see in a comparable role in the Bay Area? I’m not really architect / principal level just yet (probably 3-5 years of continuous improvement from that I would say), but I feel like I’m just barely getting ahead as a senior making $200k paying $2300/month in rent with no hope to buy and about a 40-60 minute commute (de…

Excuse me, but at $200k you're making $100k net so about $8k per month. With rent at $2.3k, you should be able to save enough to buy something at some point, no? Or at least you could rent something more expensive, closer to work?

> Excuse me, but at $200k you're making $100k net so about $8k per month. With rent at $2.3k, you should be able to save enough to buy something at some point, no? Or at least you could rent something more expensive, closer to work?

Without knowing regional pricing information it's hard to say they "should be able to save enough to buy something at some point".

Re: New Evidence of Age Bias in Hiring, and a Push to Fight It

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Post by w-ll »

vageli wrote: post #194
luckydata wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to rock your world: almost nobody uses the keyword scanners in the ATSs. Sending a resume is mostly a waste of time, if you find a job you like just speak to someone that works at that company, preferably the hiring manager, and your likelihood of at least getting an interview goes up by about two orders of magnitude. Happy to teach you other tricks if you care for it.

> I'm going to rock your world: almost nobody uses the keyword scanners in the ATSs. Sending a resume is mostly a waste of time, if you find a job you like just speak to someone that works at that company, preferably the hiring manager, and your likelihood of at least getting an interview goes up by about two orders of magnitude. Happy to teach you other tricks if you care for it. How are you supposed to find out the…

Look at their company/about page, then go to LinkedIn. Also most email address are fairly predictable.
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