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Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by anonygler »

colesantiago wrote: post #6

I love reading about Google's systems, but I wish I could work on those problems at scale, that is my dream really. I wonder what more systems Google has that we don't know about. I know Borg has become what we know as k8s but surely there must be more things that Google has made internally that are not open source. Curious about this and would like to know more about it from anyone in the trenches at Google.

The most impressive part about Google is how its emphasis on internal standards has allowed it to build some really impressive stuff.

Eg, You can do a sql join on any dataset, in any datacenter. You can turn any query into a hosted visualization.

Every test invocation is streamed to a central server and results can be shared with a url.

There’s more, but those are my two favorites.

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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justicezyx wrote: post #67
wbl wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing servers at the problem is less impressive then thinking very hard and solving it with less.

If your conclusion is "throwing servers at problems" after years of reading the papers about Google infrastructure, you probably are a non infrastructure guy. A serious conclusion should be that all these infrastructure enable application devs and researchers alike "to throw servers at problem". And these work are exactly the opposite, where they spent years and sometimes even decades meditating the nifty and figure…

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Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by okket »

wbl wrote: post #60
justicezyx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of needed in the cloud war where many actually question if the mysterious Google supermacy in global infrastructure is really true.

Throwing servers at the problem is less impressive then thinking very hard and solving it with less.

It's not servers. It's who will have the best submarine cables. A game in which Apple is not participating btw. Not even with an Elon style moon, err, low earth orbit shot.

https://blog.apnic.net/2019/04/03/the-future-of-undersea-int...

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by yegle »

gregorygoc wrote: post #8
colesantiago wrote: post #6

I love reading about Google's systems, but I wish I could work on those problems at scale, that is my dream really. I wonder what more systems Google has that we don't know about. I know Borg has become what we know as k8s but surely there must be more things that Google has made internally that are not open source. Curious about this and would like to know more about it from anyone in the trenches at Google.

The harsh truth of working at Google is that in the end you are moving protobufs from one place to another. They have the most talented people in the world but those people still have to do some boring engineering work.

"Larry&Sergey Protobuf Moving Co."

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by adfm »

pronoiac wrote: post #55
wallflower wrote: post #20

> There's also a story behind that project name. That is not the original project name. The original project name was force-removed by my SVP. Once my hands are free again, I can explain https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaKissner/status/113663143751427...

https://twitter.com/LeaKissner/status/1136691523104280576 > Zanzibar was not the original name of the system. It was originally called "Spice". I have read Dune more times than I can count and an access control system is designed so that people can safely share things, so the project motto was "the shares must flow"

“The people who can destroy a thing, they control it.“

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by xfitm3 »

shereadsthenews wrote: post #43
xfitm3 wrote: post #32

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The worst part about any job is politics, the extremely competitive nature of Googlers makes it a less than fun place to work.

The competitive nature of Googlers is what make Google a very fun place to work.

Run in the rat race for a decade or two and report back.

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by dgemm »

okket wrote: post #74
wbl wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing servers at the problem is less impressive then thinking very hard and solving it with less.

It's not servers. It's who will have the best submarine cables. A game in which Apple is not participating btw. Not even with an Elon style moon, err, low earth orbit shot. https://blog.apnic.net/2019/04/03/the-future-of-undersea-int...

A bit simplistic, no? There is more than one important factor.

Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by [deleted] »

dgemm wrote: post #78
okket wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not servers. It's who will have the best submarine cables. A game in which Apple is not participating btw. Not even with an Elon style moon, err, low earth orbit shot. https://blog.apnic.net/2019/04/03/the-future-of-undersea-int...

A bit simplistic, no? There is more than one important factor.

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Re: Zanzibar: Consistent, Global Authorization System

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Post by dsagent »

wallflower wrote: post #20

> There's also a story behind that project name. That is not the original project name. The original project name was force-removed by my SVP. Once my hands are free again, I can explain https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaKissner/status/113663143751427...

I was hoping it was a Metal Gear solid reference.

https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Zanzibar_Land

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