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Maybe there's a third option aside from continue the state quo or convert fully into a democracy? Maybe the party can evolve into something that's more and more benevolent to the people it governs? As a Chinese who emigrated because of the many social problems of China, I'm not sure switching to democracy right now will be beneficial for regular Chinese. You've all heard stories about how bad mannered Chinese tourist…
I hear you and understand you, but your argument is essentially nullified by the existence of Taiwan. We have proof positive that the Chinese culture is not only compatible with democracy, it flourishes beneath it.
What would Chinese populism look like when it eventually emerges given more democratic features?
Are you sure we are ready for a Chinese Trump? and for the silent majority of China to dictate foreign policy?
I'm from the school of "be careful what you wish for".
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I think China take will the path to democracy most other democratic nations have taken including my own: As the middle class eventually grows big enough it will demand and get political influence ultimately creating democratic institutions (formal freedom of speech, parliaments, elections, referendums) as we have it in the west. It is easy to focus on a single news story and forgetting that China is a much freer soci…
Having said that is there any way to combine democracy and a single party fully embedded to the Government?
>The PAP has been returned to power in every general election and has thus formed the Cabinet since 1959
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Facebook's board of directors doesn't include goverment agents (even if retired)?
(even if retired) being the key point. The PRC has active bureaucrats working in nearly every info company in the country. They are the Party's Cultural Representative and their word is law. There is no equivalent in the USA, not even close.
The illusion of "average citizen control" is more common in USA population than China it seems, whether this control is real is debatable.
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Kind of like the US government using Facebook data/communications to arrest people? Sounds very equal.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that the United States government was wholesale surveilling its population, with no oversight, with an open tap in Facebook data, and using that information to imprison people for thought crimes such as having a religion. False equivalence doesn't pass for me. The USA has surveillance issues, but it isn't the prc.
Julian Assange would be surfing in Australia with his family right now if he exposed Chinese war crimes.
basically Chinese government doesn't want its citizens to talk anything cultural, political, spiritual, religious, etc. If you wanna talk fashion, food, travel, music, and the likes, that's absolutely fine. and it seems Chinese people are perfectly content with it. I heard that wechat is transparent to Chinese authority. Last year, a dozens of college students who are Marxist activists and advocate for workers' right…
Don't make blanket statements about billions of people like "they are content with it". Some might be, some might appear to be, some might not have thought about it, some might very much not be.
Historically it's the middle class people who demand a share of power and who initiate all sorts of social reform and progression to protect their wealth and social status. Chinese middle class is very large now(in both absolute and relative terms) and arguably more wealthy than their western counterpart, however, the expected calling for more freedom, democracy, and human rights simply does not exist.
I used to hold a kind of naive hope that the ham fisted Party would eventually be replaced with democracy. I remember back in 2011 my friends that were placed in moderately distinguished positions were sending their kids to Canada to collect foreign dual citizenship, fully expecting the collapse of the PRC in their lifetime. But now I think the Party is too good at maintaining itself. It's augmented by technology lik…
When we get the big bubble pop which seems to be hastening in, their people may start to feel a lot less comfortable. We'll see then what happens but I don't think it will be remotely nice as their government will start to blame anyone but themselves (well naturally!) and political tensions will rise.
I used to hold a kind of naive hope that the ham fisted Party would eventually be replaced with democracy. I remember back in 2011 my friends that were placed in moderately distinguished positions were sending their kids to Canada to collect foreign dual citizenship, fully expecting the collapse of the PRC in their lifetime. But now I think the Party is too good at maintaining itself. It's augmented by technology lik…
Maybe there's a third option aside from continue the state quo or convert fully into a democracy? Maybe the party can evolve into something that's more and more benevolent to the people it governs? As a Chinese who emigrated because of the many social problems of China, I'm not sure switching to democracy right now will be beneficial for regular Chinese. You've all heard stories about how bad mannered Chinese tourist…
I am always a little bit concerned about how it comes across for a Chinese person, because I do not want to offend them. And most of my points are about Xi's rule ( and actually somewhat cautious about it going globally).
Can you enlight me on "what is happening now", if you are offended in a personal way or is it obvious that there is a difference?
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I hear you and understand you, but your argument is essentially nullified by the existence of Taiwan. We have proof positive that the Chinese culture is not only compatible with democracy, it flourishes beneath it.
I think its a bit premature, but do you really think China under a democratic system would be better for the world? What would Chinese populism look like when it eventually emerges given more democratic features? Are you sure we are ready for a Chinese Trump? and for the silent majority of China to dictate foreign policy? I'm from the school of "be careful what you wish for".
I'll take a democratically elected trump that is gone in at most 8 years over the now irremovable xi jinping.
So yes, democracy is unilaterally the better option for China.
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I hear you and understand you, but your argument is essentially nullified by the existence of Taiwan. We have proof positive that the Chinese culture is not only compatible with democracy, it flourishes beneath it.
I think its a bit premature, but do you really think China under a democratic system would be better for the world? What would Chinese populism look like when it eventually emerges given more democratic features? Are you sure we are ready for a Chinese Trump? and for the silent majority of China to dictate foreign policy? I'm from the school of "be careful what you wish for".
I don't think the trade conflict with China is without concession of the Democrats though. The Mexican conflict is.
And Trump will be gone soon, so there's that