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An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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Agreed. I started counting calories a couple weeks ago. Once you get the hang of it, you can estimate pretty well. In most cases, you don't need to know _exactly_ how many calories you take in. Ballpark works just as well. If you're coming close to the limits you set for yourself, stop eating.

I did that too. The problem is, this system does not work "just as well". Certainly did not for me or anyone else I've spoken to. The "rough calorie intake" thing breaks down because our lives are not as regular as you imply. There are times when you will pig out, go on a bender and eat a load of food while drunk, and that's very natural and normal in today's society. At that point you need a feedback system that wor…

The suggestion isn't for calorie counting to supplant regular weighings, but to supplement it.

Also, the end result is fat loss, not weight. Which is why I think weight is not the best metric, but performance in physical tasks. (As most people can't get their bodyfat percentage checked regularly, and performing various physical tasks is what allows you to keep or increase muscle mass while losing body fat.)

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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> It is one the most geek friendly sports, Soccer is _the_ jock sport in Europe. Ultimate Frisbee is geek friendly even here, though.

huh? I am european, and everybody plays soccer back home. I mean everybody (girls a little less, but usually at the beach). I hope you don't think everybody is a jock. Are you FAT, you would be a great for a golie (if playing small goals). Are you tough, but kinda slow, play defenese. Do you have great endurance, then midefield, are you good at sprinting and shooting, then offense. In soccer there is a place for ever…

I am from Europe, too.

Ultimate did not feel demasculating the last time I played. It is a very competitive sport but in terms of physical aggression is almost the opposite of soccer. You have to run a lot, too.

As soon as I am back home I'll go back to juggling, unicycling, lock picking and walking on a slackline. The real geek sports.

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did that too. The problem is, this system does not work "just as well". Certainly did not for me or anyone else I've spoken to. The "rough calorie intake" thing breaks down because our lives are not as regular as you imply. There are times when you will pig out, go on a bender and eat a load of food while drunk, and that's very natural and normal in today's society. At that point you need a feedback system that wor…

The suggestion isn't for calorie counting to supplant regular weighings, but to supplement it. Also, the end result is fat loss , not weight. Which is why I think weight is not the best metric, but performance in physical tasks. (As most people can't get their bodyfat percentage checked regularly, and performing various physical tasks is what allows you to keep or increase muscle mass while losing body fat.)

A good scale which uses impedance to give a reasonably accurate measure of body fat % is fairly cheap nowadays, fyi. I got mine for about £25 in the UK. It's accurate enough to tell you whether your fat is dropping overall, week after week - just make sure you measure at the same time each day (ideally, just after waking up, before having breakfast).

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The suggestion isn't for calorie counting to supplant regular weighings, but to supplement it. Also, the end result is fat loss , not weight. Which is why I think weight is not the best metric, but performance in physical tasks. (As most people can't get their bodyfat percentage checked regularly, and performing various physical tasks is what allows you to keep or increase muscle mass while losing body fat.)

A good scale which uses impedance to give a reasonably accurate measure of body fat % is fairly cheap nowadays, fyi. I got mine for about £25 in the UK. It's accurate enough to tell you whether your fat is dropping overall, week after week - just make sure you measure at the same time each day (ideally, just after waking up, before having breakfast).

I used one once, and I was skeptical about its accuracy, since it required gender and activity level as input. I still prefer performance as a metric, because it measures fitness.

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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The real engineer's guide to weight loss: "The Hacker's Diet" http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/ Written by John Walker, author of Autocad. He claimed to have solved every problem he had except weight loss, so he just treated it as another engineering problem. Very interesting read for those with scientifically oriented minds. The Palm software is cool, too.

"... The real engineer's guide to weight loss ..."

I'd follow a diet by an engineer as much as I would listen to algorithms from Nonagenarians from Okinawa.

Okinawans (Japan) have the longest life expectancy on Earth due not only to a good dose of genetics but through a) regular hard physical work, b) good diet and c) community of friends ~ http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/026/e/long.html

Following the link shows me a great application. But listening to Engineers about food, exercise is a waste of time. While engineers may be educated. They are also stupid. Take for an example ~ http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/exercise.html some of the reasoning in the HD diet:

   1. Exercising consumed time.
   2. Exercising was not programming.
   3. Therefore, by exercising, less 
      time was available for programming
   
This is the same sort of stupid logic Ted uses. Combine that with the distorted Modern view on food and this leads to all sorts of distorted behaviour. Instead of looking to new cultures. Cultures that have evolved post the emergence of the "Agro-Industry". Try looking at how older cultures solved this problem and re-import the best ideas.

Here's a couple.

1) Exercise a lot

2) Eat lots of vegetables, fruits, some meats and stay away from processed foods.

3) Eat with other people (reduce chance of eat too much)

4) Practice, "'hara hachi bu', eat until your four-fifths full" ~ http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2257391.htm A peculiar Japanese concept to counter over-eating.

Part two is becoming a problem as Industries have sprung up claiming to solve this and substituting unprocessed foods with highly processed foods. Good for making money, bad for health.

I like Ted, foul and potty mouthed as he is. He's made of the stuff "Goo-Micro-Hoo" software corps wants in employee. Well educated, hard working. The mould of hacker that will do everything to avoid exercise. I went to my hacker cousins birthday a month or so back. I had to give up my usual game of "spot the fit bastard". Playing a game of cricket in the park was a fun experience. These engineers exhibit the same boolean logic as Ted. It's ironic listening to hackers like Ted whine about how exercise is hard. Just like Jocks complaining Calculus should be removed from math because it's too hard.

Now if he'd just get off his arse, exercise and eat well.

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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The real engineer's guide to weight loss: "The Hacker's Diet" http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/ Written by John Walker, author of Autocad. He claimed to have solved every problem he had except weight loss, so he just treated it as another engineering problem. Very interesting read for those with scientifically oriented minds. The Palm software is cool, too.

yeah, except that the hacker diet /kinda/ sucks. It's the sort of solution someone comes up with by assuming no existing solution is worth anything, and striking out on their own. There's some insights, but mostly it's stunningly naive and banal.

The real secret is to eat fresh, whole, minimally processed food. It doesn't matter if it's organic, free-range, hormone-free, genetically engineered, or anything else, as long as the first three hold.

That said, anything is better than nothing.

Re: An Engineer's Guide To Weight Loss

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The real engineer's guide to weight loss: "The Hacker's Diet" http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/ Written by John Walker, author of Autocad. He claimed to have solved every problem he had except weight loss, so he just treated it as another engineering problem. Very interesting read for those with scientifically oriented minds. The Palm software is cool, too.

I've been following The Hacker's Diet (had 7kg to lose to get to my 'ideal' weight) and it's been relatively easy. At some point I plan to blog all the data, but I've been consistently losing about 0.6kg per week since I started 5 weeks ago. Quick summary of what has worked for me: 1. Stopped eating anything between meals. I probably cut out 12 cans of Coke, 2 chocolate bars, and 2 cakes/treats per week. I estimate t…

I hope you have made progress in the two months since you posted this. I developed an iPhone app called FatWatch, which is modeled after The Hacker's Diet Palm application. Perhaps you can get an iPhone now, if you justify it as an aid in your weight loss effort. :-)
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