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The Making of a YouTube Radical

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Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#41

> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

> It saddens me that so many of our smartest engineers are working on stuff like this.

Does it sadden you if it's instead worded as

"The entertainment platform worked on improving their promoted content selection to prevent users from getting bored".

Really, we can have a discussion about ML algorithms running wild and achieving far different results than intended, but trying to exploit every angle for the sake of the "evil, greedy people" narrative feels very dishonest.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#42

> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

I don't see whats wrong about suggesting videos to users that they like to watch.

Well, it catches people in thought-bubbles.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#43

> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

I don't see whats wrong about suggesting videos to users that they like to watch.

Same.

There is this pessimist view that Google is evil.

In my life, Google is the single best entity I'm aware of. Incredible amounts of free stuff that makes my life better.

Any addiction to their platform has been due to bliss.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#44
While there are lots of "far right" channels out there, the majority of of the channels shown as screenshots have nothing to do with the "far right" or conspiracy theories.

Looks like their main crime is being conservative.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#45

Quick Question: You are worried about right-ring rabbit holes, NYT. If I watched a bunch of NYT, Vox, and other such videos, are you _sure_ I wouldn't be sucked into a Left-wing rabbit hole?

Sssh - they don't want you to think about these things.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#47

> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

I don't see whats wrong about suggesting videos to users that they like to watch.

For one, it lowers their intellectual curiosity and makes them lazy consumers in a feedback loop of their current preferences...

Second, it always adds an algorithmic/editorial spin on the suggestion, so it's worse than them picking things up for themselves...

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#48

> Google Brain’s researchers wondered if they could keep YouTube users engaged for longer by steering them into different parts of YouTube, rather than feeding their existing interests. And they began testing a new algorithm that incorporated a different type of A.I., called reinforcement learning. > The new A.I., known as Reinforce, was a kind of long-term addiction machine. It was designed to maximize users’ engage…

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Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#49

Quick Question: You are worried about right-ring rabbit holes, NYT. If I watched a bunch of NYT, Vox, and other such videos, are you _sure_ I wouldn't be sucked into a Left-wing rabbit hole?

I think there is a fundamental difference though. At some point the far right will start to promote really hateful messages such as anti-gay, anti-jew, anti-woman, etc. At the far left end, on the other hand, the hate is stared at the capitalist system and public figures benefiting from it.

Re: The Making of a YouTube Radical

#50

Quick Question: You are worried about right-ring rabbit holes, NYT. If I watched a bunch of NYT, Vox, and other such videos, are you _sure_ I wouldn't be sucked into a Left-wing rabbit hole?

You're trying to make a "both sides" argument about this: a "left-wing rabbit hole" is not equivalent to a "right-wing rabbit hole" in terms of content.

There is no cosmic balance between left-wing and right-wing. What are the consequences of the left-wing rabbit hole vs the right-wing rabbit hole? Not all viewpoints are equal or even valid.

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