A few years ago the guy I was sharing an office with at work was cleaning off his desk and found a stack of resumes. He said they were all from the batch that I was hired from and asked if I wanted to know why I was picked. Very cautiously I said yes. He told me I was the only one who when really pushed during the technical interview said "I don't know". Their initial strategy had been to start easy on some topic and…
We HNers really love these kinds of submissions since we think we're so smart. The top comment is literally someone bragging about how they once got a job with their superior applause-worthy character of saying "idk".
People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge
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#232A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…
> 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably because they aren't smart enough to get it. (reverse) One of my high school teachers said something like: if someone doesn't understand your explanation, then you don't know it as well as you think you do.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I’ve only asserted that it is impossible to prove any absolute truth. No, you have also asserted that there is no way to distinguish different levels of justification for "non-absolute truths", or else your whole argument makes no sense. Which is also exactly what an equivocation fallacy is: Claiming that two things are the same because you can decide to ignore the differences.
I made no such assertion. I’m made no comments that attempted to ignore the differences that exist between different belief systems, nor made any comments that said you couldn’t qualitatively differentiate them. Simply that you can’t use the truth as the basis of that differentiation. All belief systems, whether they’re a belief in science as a source of truth, or a religion as a source of truth, are based on asserti…
Or in other words: There is no such thing as absolute (mathematical, provable) truth about reality, and if you ignore that there is such a thing as evidence for claims about reality, then all claims are equally justified, as long as you make assumptions that are consistent with your claims.
> If you were more intellectually humble this might be easier for you to accept, but as it stands, you are no different from anybody else who chooses to reject the limits of their knowledge.
Well, yeah, it is tragic how religion poisons minds to the point where everything about the world is upside down.
The funny thing is, you yourself don't actually believe that that supposed limit to our knowledge is there. You yourself do constantly make decisions prefering empirical evidence over other "belief systems". When the stove is hot, you don't put your hand on it "because it can't be proven that I will hurt myself (true!), and if I assume that heat doesn't hurt you, that is just as proven as the assumption that empirical evidence tells me something about reality (true!), so I am just as justified in my belief system that putting your hand on a hot stove won't hurt you as people with a scientific 'belief system'! Believing the science requires just as much faith as believing that a hot stove won't hurt you!" You are not actually stupid enough to believe that. In your daily life, for the most part, you constantly act consistent with the belief that empirical/scientific methodology gives you reliable information about reality, and inconsistent with the belief that any other assumptions instead of what possibly underlies scientific "belief systems" is just as justified/just as much "faith based". Nor would you accept so from anyone who disagree with you about something. If someone made the assumption that murdering people made their loved ones happy, and started murdering people on that basis, you would not say "oh, well, it's their assumption, and it can not be proven, but science can't either, so it proably makes people happy". You would immediately call that out as completely moronic reasoning that is way overstretching the implications of an iteresting conundrum of epistemology to be more real than the obvious immediate experience that killing people does not make their loved ones happy.
All of this is not actually a set of principles that you believe in. It's a set of excuses you give so as to avoid seriously examining the epistemic foundations of this one particular belief that you happen to have, and that you apply only very selectively to that one claim.
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#234This can be quite fascinating and intellectually humbling. Instead of viewing politics as something for dumb people who want to clan (which it can be for many), you get a personal feel for how much each of us relies on definitions and language that prevents us from doing much introspection. And if it's true in the political arena, it's certainly true in all of the other parts of our lives.
But that's just the first step of the journey. It leads naturally to questions like "How do we 'know' things?" which is a great adventure on its own. Eventually you lead to questions like "How do people of vastly different cultures and background communicate on anything? If I were dropped in the middle of a neanderthal tribe 40k years ago, could each of us learn the other's language and culture? If so, how?"
You end up with a profound sense of ignorance, but that's okay because most stuff works most of the time and we don't have to go around poking at the foundations of knowledge simply to drive to the grocery store. But then you see one of us tech folks make some dramatic and overly-confident statement like "C++ is obviously better than Java" and you think across the panopolpy of human experience you're able to have a good conversation without feeling personally threatened.
Intellectual humility is not only learnable, it's the first step on a grand adventure of realizing where we all fit into the universe.
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#235A few years ago the guy I was sharing an office with at work was cleaning off his desk and found a stack of resumes. He said they were all from the batch that I was hired from and asked if I wanted to know why I was picked. Very cautiously I said yes. He told me I was the only one who when really pushed during the technical interview said "I don't know". Their initial strategy had been to start easy on some topic and…
As an interviewer at one of the FAANG companies I can confirm this is one tactic we use as well. A lot of people are very confident spewing trash for as long as you'll let them.
I don’t really get it. I can perhaps understand that some candidates might have gotten good feedback from blatantly guessing in the past, but that’s why I now explicitly tell them to disclaim guesses. If anything it looks more impressive when you honestly don’t know something but intuit the substantially correct answer (as long as it’s something that could be realistically intuited).
Yet even with my disclaimer, I’ve still conducted phone screens and onsite interviews where the candidate eventually started bullshitting. It’s one thing to say you don’t know and give a wildly incorrect answer - at least then I can try and steer the interview towards another of the candidate’s strengths. It’s even okay to preface your wild guess with an, “I think...”. But the cavalier way in which people will just spout nonsense is disturbing. Even if you’ve been performing well up to the point, engaging in bullshit is nearly immediate grounds for me to discount you as a candidate.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
We HNers really love these kinds of submissions since we think we're so smart. The top comment is literally someone bragging about how they once got a job with their superior applause-worthy character of saying "idk".
I like that we're using the word "we" to make our aggression look more passive. We wouldn't want to give the wrong impression, would we?
> people with greater humility have superior...
It's a contradiction in terms. It makes humility look like a tool. One could instead just say "try to be humble".
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#238Politics is interesting from a meta standpoint because if there are millions of people taking a political standpoint different from yours, the odds are quite strong that there are people who are well-informed with good intentions who have thought through their position in-depth and have reached a different conclusion than you have. It's also obviously a place where humans act the most like herd animals. So when you f…
Using their ‘gut’, not logical reasoning.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an interviewer at one of the FAANG companies I can confirm this is one tactic we use as well. A lot of people are very confident spewing trash for as long as you'll let them.
Likewise. I open my interviews with the explicit statement that I’d like them to disclaim when they don’t know, and that furthermore, the discussion is arranged around challenging them until we reach that point. We have less than an hour together and I need to judge your technical abilities in an intrinsically imperfect medium. Help me help you - I can only work with what I’m given. If you bullshit, what I’m given is…
You are able to identify these over-confident people and prevent them from being a toxic influence on a team.
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#240A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…
This test is aimed at the median of the population. However it could be altered slightly. Answer yes or no AND write a short explanation of why. Then the judge of the answer sheet should decide if points for or against are awarded for each question. As an example, I just am really bad at complimenting others. Both because my own overall standards are so high and also because that was never a skill I learned; so I'm a…
There are alot of discussions which basically come down to how humans interact and communicate with one another, and what works and what doesn’t.
I noticed I compliment others quite a bit more since listening.