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Firefox Personal Data Promise

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Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#51

What the US needs is a regulatory framework like GDPR that incentivizes this sort of behavior. Private data should be considered a liability, not an asset. Taking less and keeping it private+secure should be the default -- not the exception that needs calling out. Kudos as usual to Mozilla for going out of their way to promote these principles.

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Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#52
post #38

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

DOH makes Pihole ineffective.

PiHole just needs to implement DoH as both client and server.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#53
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in other words, you want the internet to help you cement yourself in your current positions?

Nope. Just trying to live my life without constantly being pitched to. Are you advocating for mob-mentality?

It is not a dicothomy. While there are obviously trends at all times, they evolve over time and new ones emerge.

I do not know your positions but it could simply be that someone with the right formulation able to start a trend is yet to come.

Mob mentality is not the same as a popular idea or opinion, could be that popular assumption are indeed wrong and many people either do not care (maybe for principles or maybe because it is not really important) or just never encountered convincing arguments.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#54
post #10

Where in this page is the actual promise? Is it the "take less" bit? That is a surprisingly weak statement. I think almost all of the statements made here are worded vaguely enough that could be equally have been claimed by Google, e.g. "never sell ... your info" / "only data we want is ... data that serves you in the end". But I think Mozilla's actual intended position is pretty far from Google.

It is the same claimed position maybe, but Google consider targeted ads a service to users

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#55
post #23

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Funnily enough, the Pocket logo is present in the thumbnail for the Firefox Family video on https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ Pocket does not however feature in the video (which is unironically hosted on that Google video hosting platform...)

That's really weird that they don't host the video themselves but instead on YouTube and send all their users (who go on that webpage) automatically to Google.

No it's not,

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#56
post #25

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Of all the things I wish Mozilla did differently, their choice of internal corporate email provider is roughly at the bottom of the list. Using a FOSS solution provides essentially zero benefit to even a fraction of a percent of their users.

Sure, but it undermines their public opposition to Google and their practices. DuckDuckGo appears to operate just fine on Fastmail.

They do not oppose Google. They oppose Google privacy practices,

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#57
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, in other words, you want the internet to help you cement yourself in your current positions?

Nope. Just trying to live my life without constantly being pitched to. Are you advocating for mob-mentality?

No, I'm advocating for plurality of opinion, exposure to new information and constant challenging of my own viewpoints.

My reasoning is that, at any given point in time, I am wrong about a great number of things. I fear that any algorithm that learns to present me exclusively with the content I like (i.e. which elicits the least emotional objection) is going to hide all things that might correct my current errors.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#58

I love Mozilla, but it's difficult to take this seriously while they're still partnering with Cloudflare on in-browser resolvers that bypass my local DNS resolver and expose my lookups to Cloudflare: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/04/02/dns-over-...

Um, wtf? So, they're now bypassing user choice on DNS in order to send your domain lookups to Cloudflare and this is supposed to be security?

From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1529437 it says "[QA:] We have finished testing ... GREEN - SHIP IT" and "signed version [...] for release". Does that mean it went mainstream and is now a browser default?

I see a preference name "network.trr.uri" with a cloudflare URL used for "dns-query" ... that looks bad?

Edit: just found this from Mozilla

"We are currently exploring what the right testing approach should be with users who have opted to participate by using Firefox Nightly." (from Senior Dir. for Eng., https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/20/mozilla_firefox_tes...)

Mozilla's official line is that they consider using nightly as an opt in to send all your DNS requests to a third-party.

Now come on, no-one at Mozilla believes that is true to users expectations.

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#59
post #54
post #10

Where in this page is the actual promise? Is it the "take less" bit? That is a surprisingly weak statement. I think almost all of the statements made here are worded vaguely enough that could be equally have been claimed by Google, e.g. "never sell ... your info" / "only data we want is ... data that serves you in the end". But I think Mozilla's actual intended position is pretty far from Google.

It is the same claimed position maybe, but Google consider targeted ads a service to users

Mozilla do too though, for example for Hello, or Pocket? They also have an advert for Firefox Mobile on desktop browsers. So Mozilla's ads are clearly de minimis in comparison, but they don't disagree on the prinicple of targeting ads to users (even after they've expressed a preference to receive no advertising).

Re: Firefox Personal Data Promise

#60
post #32
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but it undermines their public opposition to Google and their practices. DuckDuckGo appears to operate just fine on Fastmail.

Why would they oppose Google when they're Mozilla's wallet? Where else does Mozilla get revenues from?

Their job seems to be to appear to geeks as if they oppose Google whilst still funnelling as much useful traffic/data to Google as possible. Then people who oppose Google can use Firefox, thinking it helps, when it probably helps a lot less.

It would be like a political party being the main donor to the second choice party.

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