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Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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This was to move money between trading accounts. I don't think these new nimble "mobile" banks offer stock trading accounts just yet. edit : also, those banks are UK ones. I'm not inclined to open accounts there with Brexit going on. Foreign accounts are also a pain for tax admin.

Where do you live that you have to report you own foreign accounts? Asking companies to report them might be justified, but individuals?

same in Netherlands afaik. https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/dutch-ta...

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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From Facebook's perspective, the advantage is that everyone has already forfeited any expectation of privacy wrt financial transactions, since they're recorded on a public ledger. They would be able to link certain transaction events (i.e., ones that happen over Messenger or other Facebook properties) to real identities, so this project will give them tons of data to mine

Have they said no private transactions supported?

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Every new financal technology tries to kill the existing middlemen, then replace them with new middlemen who promise to be better. Turns out, these new middlemen (1) never fully comprehend how complex modern finance is, which raises costs, and (2) are human and thus become corrupt, whether subtly or unsubtly, over time. I also have a sneaking suspicion that, in conjunction with point (1), many of these modern finance…

You're saying that yet Monzo and Revolut (the cool iOS apps you're mentioning) are killing the banking system already in Europe/UK.

"Killing" is a pretty funny word to use.

Everything is easy when you're small. Look at Simple in the US; they have an awesome iOS app, a few interesting features, they gained customers, became more popular, and... feature development stopped. Their pace of externally-facing innovation has DRAMATICALLY slowed over the past three years. They've done automated expense allocating w/ recurring goals, family accounts, and protected savings accounts with a high interest rate, and that's, like, it. In three years. They don't even have 2FA w/o SMS.

Why is that? I don't know. But I have a suspicion: Banking is fucking difficult. Its insane. There's regulation and red tape everywhere, you make one mistake and you instantly not only lose customers but could ruin their lives. Its fundamentally not an easy industry to operate in. So, they have to allocate a ton of engineering effort into the back-office side of things, which is exactly what every other bank does. Simple even contracts with BBVA to handle the accounts, which should make some things easier.

Crypto doesn't change anything at all. Again, its easy and awesome when its small, and Crypto also has an advantage that regulation has been slow to catch up, so in some ways they can just shrug their shoulders and say "its not real money, you can't have the same expectations." For now. As it gets bigger it'll become subject to the same regulations that fiat is subject to, and years later it'll look exactly the same. The underground networks, including Bitcoin, can maybe escape some of this due to the lack of centralized corporate backing, but Facebook can't.

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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I find it funny that bitcoin fails to do what it was created to do and that people are so invested in it they can't change it or let it die. You can't buy a cup of coffee without paying large confirmation fees or delaying the transaction for day to weeks. There was talk about decentralizing smaller transactions to ease up on that but that defeats the whole purpose of bitcoin.

>You can't buy a cup of coffee without paying large confirmation fees or delaying the transaction for day to weeks

Yes you can. On BSV which is the legacy bitcoin

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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Every new financal technology tries to kill the existing middlemen, then replace them with new middlemen who promise to be better. Turns out, these new middlemen (1) never fully comprehend how complex modern finance is, which raises costs, and (2) are human and thus become corrupt, whether subtly or unsubtly, over time. I also have a sneaking suspicion that, in conjunction with point (1), many of these modern finance…

I don't understand your point. No one is disagreeing about the contribution that big finance has made in shaping our current systems. FB raised money, got listed. There's tons of financial system which helped them and help everyone from invoices to making a trip everyday. But that doesn't mean something better can't come up. People don't hate banks for the monolith but their monopoly like nature that had stifled inno…

> Banks are more regulatory and defend my turf play than a technology play. There's layers and layers of clutter.

Why do you think this is? Do you think its just because "hur hur they're evil"?

I'm not saying there isn't some of that. But I am saying:

1. The big banks have discovered something that the small, modern banks haven't. YET. They will. Its that banking sucks, and we need the regulatory hurdles.

2. If you think these small banks don't have the potential to be just as evil as the big ones currently are, you're delusional. Money corrupts everything. Google and Facebook used to be the darling of the tech community, and look at them now. If they can turn so suddenly, anyone can.

Maybe we need a better system. Maybe we dislike the system we have, but we can't have a better one. Maybe we need better people. But, you can't change human nature.

Healthcare is a similar industry. Its ridiculously huge. Everyone needs it. There's trillions of dollars in it. Plenty of money. Then Theranos comes along and thinks that the old way of doing things is overrated. And then they die. Because, fun fact, agility and leanness works in some industries, but its mostly industries that don't actually matter.

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>Can anyone explain what the point of a pegged cryptocurrency is? What was the point of arcades taking your quarters and issuing you tokens for the machines? Why not just allow the machines to take your quarters? The idea is for the issuer to take real money from you and issue you Monopoly money which the issuer can track and control. In a worst case scenario the issuer can make up new rules (change their terms and c…

But that doesn't really answer the question being asked. If the cryptocurrency is completely controlled by a centralized authority who has absolute rights over the system, why bother with the technical and cognitive hurdles of using a blockchain? A standard ledger in a centralized database is more than adequate for that task, and much easier to maintain.

Transparency.

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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What is the best way to profit from all this crypto hype, as a rational person who’s convinced all coins will eventually go to zero?

Getting involved is risky - even if you are right (and I think you are), the price could still increase by a large amount for a long time before sense reasserts itself. As Keynes apparently did not say: "The market can stay irrational a lot longer than you can stay solvent." If you hit your trading / credit limits you could lose a lot of money despite being right in the long run. And as Keynes definitely did say, "In…

Pretty sure facebook coin is a stable coin. You cant make money trading it. You can only make money by using it for trading.

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MakerDAO is not decentralised, simply because the ETH/USD price feed isn't decentralised. If the servers providing the feed get hacked, say goodbye to your ETH collateral.

They might integrate with ChainLink, a decentralized oracle network: https://chain.link

That's just "decentralization" by obscurity. (emphasis on the quotes)

That aside, the main problem isn't centralization but rather the trust level. The point is to not have to trust someone isn't serving you the false data. Contracts must be created and ran only when the data can be cryptographically verified to be true.

There are no trustless oracles if any of the required data are outside of the settlement system (e.x. blockchain). Even when the data are inside, you still have cases of collusion that make things problematic.

People are trying to sell something that's close to impossible. Especially when they try to add infinite flexibility on it. Even with the currently low stakes there have been incidents of "oracles" getting compromised. There are several strategies to try and camouflage a centralized oracle to a faux decentralized entity but eventually if stakes get high enough, your entity will become a target and it'll become once again obvious what's happening.

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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Can anyone explain what the point of a pegged cryptocurrency is? Since you are dependent on the issuing entity to honour the stated peg, why not just have your balance be an entry in a regular database maintained by that entity? What exactly does the blockchain gain you here? One thing it does _not_ get you is censorship resistance. If the central authority wants to take away coins from a wallet, all it needs to do i…

It prevents covert malicious behavior by the issuer (i.e. they can't just change a database entry and deny they did so).

how often has your bank or paypal suddenly changed the balance in your account? This is a fictional problem because no large institution is going to cheat you out of twenty bucks to risk a billion dollar lawsuit and their customers.

Re: Facebook plans cryptocurrency debut

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Are you joking? In every thread about FB besides this one, almost every single comment actively bashes FB.

This is something I've wondered... Do all Facebook/Google employees drink the Kool aid? Are there no privacy proponents?

You have to have loose morals & ethics, be a misanthrope, or be completely oblivious to the world to even work at Facebook or Google anymore.
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