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People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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I'll say this gets causality backwards. Intellectual humility is a luxury of the obviously skilled. In a room of smart people where everyone is competing for influence and attention, admitting your lack of knowledge can be a real handicap. When I was younger rather than admit anything I just kept my mouth shut. Now when I am in a room, no one questions I know what I am talking about, and I can usually establish my ex…

I think that is a good point. However, when I skimmed the article my thoughts were of the opposite people: the people who brag about their skills but then end up having very few skills in that area.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

#62
I'm reminded of something Jesse James said on Monster Garage (I'm sure he wasn't the first to say it and he is not the best role model himself but...) If a guy says he knows everything he probably doesn't but the real experts are the ones that are more humble about their skills.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #40

Isn’t there a chance it’s the other way round. People might start off arrogant but once they acquire enough superior general knowledge they figure they know jack and forces them to be humble ? It’s a common enough fallacy to get cause and effect backwards.

> People might start off arrogant but once they acquire enough superior general knowledge they figure they know jack and forces them to be humble ?

There are too many other variables at play - i.e. inherent psychological disposition, environmental and social factors, institutional incentives - to know how cause and effect work in the development of intellectual humility.

But sometimes arrogance in general (and perhaps intellectual arrogance too) is itself just a thin defense against a dominating unexamined insecurity about oneself.

If acquiring more general knowledge helps make you more comfortable with yourself, it might make you more intellectually humble, but it could also do nothing, or even the opposite.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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I think this article overlooks a crucial factor, which is ego insecurity. People with an exaggerated sense of overconfidence often learn and achieve more, because their overconfidence serves as a buffer against insecurity, and their inflated self-importance gives them motivation to work hard.

A certain amount of overconfidence is an integral part of being a healthy, thriving human being. People who are depressed have more accurate self-assessments than healthy people. Humility exposes a person to a lot of unpleasant, aversive feelings that can convince them that their energy is not being well spent, making it hard to continue investing at a high enough level to achieve much.

I think it's good to learn the ideas and skills of humility. I think it's important to recognize that it's unpleasant to find out that we're wrong, and we have a natural tendency to avoid unpleasant things, so we have to consciously and actively compensate for our tendency to preserve our own mistaken assumptions. However, I wonder if it's really healthy to internalize humility, to give up a subconscious way of thinking associated with high functioning and adopt a subconscious way of thinking that is associated with depression.

Ideally we'd all have such unassailable emotional security that we wouldn't be bothered by an accurate degree of humility. In reality, I think we have to fake it, and I think a lot of the people preaching this gospel of "you shouldn't feel bad when you find out you're wrong" are faking it too. But that's okay. Our full being is a combination of our messy human psyche that isn't designed for the things we try to use it for and the conscious ideas by which we interact with it. Sometimes these parts are compare to an elephant and a rider — the tiny rider on top is the part of our mind that we consciously control. I think it's okay if that's the only part that really practices humility.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

#66
As an artist i must say that this is actually the opposite of what you want to be when making inovative art. You have to push your world view so hard that it becomes real.

Ignorance creates art[1], stubborn ignorance guided by personality.

Ps. This might explain why so many artists are narcissistic

[1] https://youtu.be/25kmuPSt60w around 2:48 guy makes a good point about this

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

#67
One of the ways I think about humility is that it is the ability of a person to successfully integrate information that requires some non-trivial refactoring of one's internal model of the world.

Refactoring can be a costly operation, so it makes sense that the mind shouldn't take on that task too often, especially if one's mind is more likely to suffer net harm from an unsuccessful or partial refactoring.

However, if a person is gifted at learning in the broadest sense, then it would make a lot of sense that their mind would undertake this process much more gladly, and as a result, form a very strong model of the world.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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One of the ways I think about humility is that it is the ability of a person to successfully integrate information that requires some non-trivial refactoring of one's internal model of the world. Refactoring can be a costly operation, so it makes sense that the mind shouldn't take on that task too often, especially if one's mind is more likely to suffer net harm from an unsuccessful or partial refactoring. However, i…

why would a partial refactor be bad for the mind?

(I don't consider the mind to be digital, and the brain even less so)

how can you know when you have completed a refactor?

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #28

A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…

I'm not sure your critiques invalidate the questions. This questionnaire isn't a value judgment on who you are as a person, it is simply exploring your behavior. Having good reasons for not giving the "right" answers doesn't mean the questions aren't poking at valid points.

I think you are right that they are getting to valid points, but I am saying they don't necessarily relate to a theory of intellectual humility.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. My honest answers to each of questions (save 8 and 9) are what the researchers would probably consider the "correct" response. Personally I don't like it when people point out my shortcomings or errors, but I'd argue those questions are under-specified. I may not like it, but I'll welcome it and earnestly assume they have some insight I do not. In any case I think it makes me an unenjoyable person t…

Like most people I also dislike being wrong. I’m also game for disagreements, which means I’m wrong a lot, easily the most on my team at work. I’d hesitate to say that makes me more “enjoyable” to my teammates. More likely people find me difficult to take seriously because I’ll passionately argue for something I don’t necessarily have the best evidence for and then immediately give up and say I’m wrong when someone g…

Fun counter intuitive social trick :)

There's a thing called.. hmm .. positive negotiation ? when you interact with someone by always aiming at finding a middleground/compromise, rather than arguing for the sake of it.

Your point reminds me of something that I'm seeing (IIUC). A lot of the time people will assert more than they know (I do that sometimes too[0]) and the discussion will stop. By insisting even at the risk at being wrong, you force everybody to show their hand and sometimes they'll realize that they may be wrong or off point and that they need to reevaluate the situation. .. We're tribal, even in scientific fields.

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