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People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…

Note that being great in every of these aspects can lead to suffering. Because most people don't and you'll be talked down regularly to the point of breaking. And it's utterly difficult to keep respect for people when you try to be balanced, team oriented and generous when others only know how to assert their POV and limited experience.

I agree with you. My honest answers to each of questions (save 8 and 9) are what the researchers would probably consider the "correct" response. Personally I don't like it when people point out my shortcomings or errors, but I'd argue those questions are under-specified. I may not like it, but I'll welcome it and earnestly assume they have some insight I do not.

In any case I think it makes me an unenjoyable person to be around. I more or less don't engage in opinionated discussion with people unless I'm intimately familiar with the topic at hand. Then it's no longer discussing opinions but trading facts. When I do engage, it's usually to ask questions of the other person's opinion without really challenging them. While I might agree with their opinions, I'm reluctant to refute them unless I can systematically prove them wrong. That's usually not possible, because they often know more than I do about any given topic. When I am asked questions directly I hedge my answers extensively.

When I was younger I used to take pride in this, but now I find it isolating. It's difficult to relate to people like this.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #28

A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…

> Also (3) I don't get, because while I am extremely motivated by intellectual curiosity, I have maybe zero motivation to "develop my intelligence" like it was some kind of fitness thing.

I don't think of this in terms of intellectual fitness, but when I realise I made a wrong step in my modelling of the world I generally take a moment to reflect on where I went wrong and what I could do differently in the future to avoid similar pitfalls.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #40

Isn’t there a chance it’s the other way round. People might start off arrogant but once they acquire enough superior general knowledge they figure they know jack and forces them to be humble ? It’s a common enough fallacy to get cause and effect backwards.

Is the article implying causation or just correlation? Because either cause->effect pathway would imply correlation. The pathway you describe seems like a common way to get to humility, through actually learning how little domain knowledge you have.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact is, people who base their self-worth on being right about everything prevent themselves from learning from their mistakes. I've never heard of this happening can you give examples on this site?

It's difficult to think of examples "from this site" because I rarely remember the posters' names. I would point to cryptocurrencies as a rich source of extremely wrong takes: how bitcoin would replace paypal and credit cards, how government conspiracies would try to fight it, etc. None of those predictions came to pass, to put it mildly. What I can't offer is specific instances of people pivoting from "it's a curren…

person you replied to here:

well yes, I was being sarcastic but I'm glad it sparked this high value comment you wrote. It is easy to see how the 'consensus narrative' changes, as the accounts are censored and their comments are in fact promoted by the collective community. But it is impossible to see who was part of that collective community.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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The article points out that there are conflicting studies. Personally I don't believe there is a strong correlation (one way or the other) between intellectual humility, intelligence or breadth of knowledge. But my opinion on that matter is entirely unqualified; all I have to go on is basic anecdata I've observed along with my own interiority. While reading through the article I found this interesting: > In terms of…

We have a long history of education based on punishment, reward, and PR.

Myself I've felt compelled to pretend to know-it-all out of fear of being excluded. Being excluded is not a naive thing, it could mean not getting any job, and falling in disgrace and being hated by a majority of people. It happened to me for saying the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong time to the wrong people.

There is also the problem of PR, the post-modern fallacy, people who think they can convince anyone of anything just to get what they want, because truth is relative, and it doesn't really matter if you are good or competent as long as you get a seat at the big table.

Modern western society has a low tolerance for ignorance, which is sad given that many people is ignorant not out of their will, they were just dealt a bad hand. Also, it is very difficult for ignorant people to get out of their ignorance if nobody helps them, there are unknown unknowns which they cannot see without external help.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #4

It's funny, I always considered myself one of the most humble people i know. Guess this explains why I am so knowledgeable about so many topics.

Came here to say that - actually, I'm impersonating a humble person, which is even better. I feel like I'm still getting the benefit of superior knowledge.

You can be humble and still believe you know more than other people. The issue arises when your self-reported knowledge exceeds your actual knowledge.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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I'll say this gets causality backwards. Intellectual humility is a luxury of the obviously skilled. In a room of smart people where everyone is competing for influence and attention, admitting your lack of knowledge can be a real handicap. When I was younger rather than admit anything I just kept my mouth shut. Now when I am in a room, no one questions I know what I am talking about, and I can usually establish my ex…

Yes and no. Yes, being known as one of the ones who knows gives you freedom to say "I don't know" without being judged. In the past few years, I've started feeling that freedom. (Maybe others wouldn't have judged me before. Maybe the issue is that now I don't judge myself for not knowing.)

But no, being the one who doesn't know in a room full of those who do shouldn't stop you from learning. There are two different cases here, though.

If you're in a sane (not too political, and not too toxic) environment, just ask when you don't know something. (Don't do it so often that you hijack the meeting, but do it once or twice a meeting.) You will often be speaking for others as well who don't know but are unwilling to admit their ignorance (unless you're the only junior person). Your asking can free them to also ask and also learn.

If you are in a toxic or political environment, you still need to learn, without getting destroyed. That's harder. You need to try to find out who it's safe to ask. But the bigger task in that environment, in my opinion, is to not learn to be political or toxic yourself.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

#48
post #28

A questionnaire from the article: 1) I am willing to admit if I don't know something. 2) I like to compliment others on their intellectual strengths. 3) I try to reflect on my weaknesses in order to develop my intelligence. 4) I actively seek feedback on my ideas, even if it is critical. 5) I acknowledge when someone knows more than me about a certain subject. 6) If someone doesn't understand my idea, it's probably b…

> Also (3) I don't get, because while I am extremely motivated by intellectual curiosity, I have maybe zero motivation to "develop my intelligence" like it was some kind of fitness thing.

What's the difference between curiosity and a drive to develop your (crystallized) intelligence?

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #40

Isn’t there a chance it’s the other way round. People might start off arrogant but once they acquire enough superior general knowledge they figure they know jack and forces them to be humble ? It’s a common enough fallacy to get cause and effect backwards.

There is also a chance these concept correlate because they share many of the same characteristics, i.e. they are mostly the same thing.

Measuring psychological concept is far easier then then rigid and if you align one question or answer to one concept there is a good chance you are actually measuring the other, or both. In fact the very concept of general intelligence has been severely criticized for this. To an extend that many psychologist (and laymen like my self) don’t even belief it exists.

Re: People with Greater Intellectual Humility Have Superior General Knowledge

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post #35

Using "aperçus" in an article about intellectual humility? Ironic, I'm pretty sure. Unless I'm just unfamiliar with inexplicable pluralization being appropriate.

I took it as a tongue in cheek thing, but if you look here https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&geo=... you might find the results amusing. Apparently a decent amount of people reading an article about intellectual humility are the type to google a word they don't know.
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