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Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

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Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

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I like your enthusiasm but I am afraid you are overambitious. For me, it sounds a bit like GSuite alrernative hosted on Google Cloud. It doesn't make sense to me. What is the advantage of it being opensource when it is hosted by you. I have been hosting my own NextCloud instance on a bare metal server for years, email (exim, dovecot, roundcube), dns (bind) and it all replaced gsuite for me, they are awesome libre and…

Thank you for the feedback. The plan is as follows: Code is free and open source, but 98% don't have the time/the knowledge/the will to self host and will happily be us to manage and secure their data (like DropBox). Open source is not much a marketing argument, but in my opinion the only way to build a sustainable future.

Disclaimer: I’m part of the Nextcloud team (and formerly ownCloud before we forked).

With Nextcloud we don’t offer hosting for a reason – we would compete with Google, Dropbox, Amazon etc. in a race to the bottom, and it wouldn’t be private either. nathan-io said it very well already in their reply.

Another thing which then makes it super simple for people to self-host is a) PHP (yes, we got ridiculed soo much for that through the years …) and b) a dead-simple installation which in the simplest case (with SQLite) only asks for username and password you want for the admin. Most importantly, we use open standards and formats like WebDAV, CalDAV, CardDAV, IMAP, gpx, ActivityPub, etc. which makes Nextcloud universally compatible.

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However, for people who do want to simply sign up we do have an easy way: https://nextcloud.com/signup/ – this is also very presently available as "Sign up with a provider" in the mobile and desktop apps.

How it works:

- We have a list of participating providers (of which there are many more at https://nextcloud.com/providers/ ) with some strict guidelines like minimum storage space, minimum set of specific apps, uptime, reliability, etc.

- On the signup site or step we show exactly 1 provider (instead of a list like Mastodon etc.) to not overwhelm people with choice. This is based on your location and it just shows the nearest one, assuming it’s probably best regarding law and performance. There’s an option to "change provider" right below the provider.

- The only thing we ask for is your email address, and you only have to wait shortly while they provision your new instance. Sign up approaches the simplicity of Google or Dropbox this way.

I’m curious to see how it will fare for you, and wish you best of luck. If you ever want to join us or collaborate regarding integration, you are very welcome → https://nextcloud.com/contribute/

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

#232
If it is to be run self hosted on a RPi how will you solve the problem of being behind a NAT router?

I recently tried NextCloud and was unable to configure my router so that I could access it from outside the LAN. It seems that my ISP (Telenor, Norway) is making it difficult, whether intentionally or not I don't know.

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

#233

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Thank you! I've tried to make it clear by appending a summary at the top of the blog post and a big visual banner at the start of the offering (to catch the eyes of those who will speed scroll). But apparently it's not enough. I'll try to fix it.

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Hi,

Thank you for the honest feedback.

Please take a look at the 2 following videos: https://kerkour.fr/blog/the-just-cause-and-the-infinite-game...

To understand the structure of the article.

This article is not intended to everyone, it's intended to those who believe what we believe. The early adopters, the potential contributors.

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

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Email hosting would be a good idea. That's how Zoho gets people in.

Honestly, even without the search function, I think this is one of the most base level functions of Google's toolkit. Everything else is just convenient

Agreed. This seems like a neat project but mail and search are the only things I'd be really looking for in a free and open source Google.

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

#236
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I'm in! thx 4 sharing

so I tried the app.... Design looks nice.... but the features ain't workin... I like your texting-skills.... put your stuff to github.. I will help out building stuff..... the tryItFree button on you page irritates me..... I know we all need money.... maybe some Bitcoin-whale will help out, once we get some cool features running?

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

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Hi, currently we absolutely do not plan to create a search engine: it requires too much resources for self hosting, I think we currently have great option for all the spectrum (From Google search to DuckDuckGo), and because an open source search engine will be tricked by all kind of nasty SEO Experts and it will be very hard to promote actually good Content. I dared the Google comparison thinking about it's productiv…

I think it's clear after reading your exchange with OC that you're not planning to take on Google search with Bloom. However what I think the commenter you're replying to is suggesting is that by calling yourself an open source 'Google' you're giving people the false impression that you are focused on search because when people think of Google the first thing they think of is search. Perhaps you might consider someth…

Right; is "a free and open source 'Google'" a company? Because that's what Google is.

Re: Show HN: Bloom – A free and open source 'Google'

#238
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Wow, ambitious! Your sheer nerve is enough to click on the link and check it out. :) As a potential early adopter that has seen countless would-be world-changing technology efforts come and go, in order to personally get me on the bandwagon, it would help to know a few things that didn't stand out to me at first, even after visiting the https://bloom.sh website. (1) When I think Google I think "search" first and fore…

+1 on the search part. I fully expected a search bar on the landing page and just got sign-up and feature page. Seeing any form hits the : interest level exceeded: mark for me, but I'm so for supporting anti-google that I will wait for you to have bloom.sh have a nice big search bar in the middle like https://duckduckgo.com/
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