Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by tinus_hn » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:01 AM UTC

StudentStuff wrote: post #37

scrollaway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do you give a shit? Given your tone, I'm going to guess you're not asking the GP a question in earnest. You should try to think about why they might "give a shit". Twitter's userbase is its primary feature. Not its shitty UI, not its awful character limit, and none of the stuff mastodon's various UIs are copying. Its userbase . If you want the fediverse to succeed, you need to understand that. And you need to s…

I don't want the fediverse to "succeed", frankly its the only space for us LGBTQ+ to not be harassed, reply guyed, and screen-capped online that isn't a corporate hellhole. Edit: "Success" in our current world seems to be defined as the transition Reddit has gone through, where the userbase has exploded, its eaten Facebook's lunch to a fair degree, but the quality of discourse and interaction has dropped like a rock.…

That’s the eternal September. Almost all online communities ultimately either die out or become overflowed by the masses.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by skrebbel » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:02 AM UTC

vanderZwan wrote: post #23

What I find strange how this is presented as an either-or option between banning and not banning. You can also have an intermediate warning page. YouTube does this to any third-party website for example. Something like "Warning: JSFiddle has been abused by spammers to run crypto mining scripts. We recommend that you that you do not continue to this JSFiddle page unless you trust the source of the link" should work ju…

Twitter doesn't exactly target the kind of demographic that understands what "to run crypto mining scripts" even means, let alone how to assess whether they "trust the source". I mean, it was retweeted by someone I follow and it has a funny picture of Trump with a dancing turd emoji on his head, what's there not to trust?

It's extremely hard to coach non-technical users into making the right call when presented with a security warning box.

That said, if Twitter can assess whether a posted video contains "sensitive material" (i.e. exposed body parts), they can also assess whether a jsfiddle link (or any link, really) likely contains crypto miners.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by banachtarski » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:03 AM UTC

Timucin wrote: post #18

> Twitter just went the easy route and blocked all jsfiddle.net links instead of blocking spammer accounts on their platform. This is a huge problem with all the tech giants that needs to be addressed. I don't expect them to be perfect but I expect them to be open to communications on any level. I also think Twitter is the Twitter today just because of the bots and fake accounts they have since those accounts were cr…

I just don't agree with this sentiment. I don't work for twitter or any social media company, but it strikes me as their prerogative to ban content deemed unsafe if they don't have the means or wherewithal to properly police the content. From an engineering standpoint, how exactly do you propose to scan fiddles for objectionable content. With an image link, you could throw a neural net at it and at least tag it as nsfw (or scan a few images in a linked page).

And this isn't related at all to the bots and fake accounts (which I think is the bigger problem). But in the context of your argument, this is just non sequitur.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by nroah » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:05 AM UTC

FreeHugs wrote: post #21

djsumdog wrote: post #14

JSFiddle is big. They tried. They voiced concerns. They asked foe help. They got a ban with no explanation. Please just join the fediverse. It's broken too, but if you get banned, at least you can open an alt on another server. Force Twitter to be irrelevant.

The problem is: I have yet to find a person in the fediverse that interests me. I like to read tweets from accomplished people. Successful startup founders for example. Is there anybody out there? Any links to people of significance in the fediverse?

>I like to read tweets from accomplished people.

Honestly that's pretty pathetic.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by scrollaway » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:10 AM UTC

tinus_hn wrote: post #51

StudentStuff wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want the fediverse to "succeed", frankly its the only space for us LGBTQ+ to not be harassed, reply guyed, and screen-capped online that isn't a corporate hellhole. Edit: "Success" in our current world seems to be defined as the transition Reddit has gone through, where the userbase has exploded, its eaten Facebook's lunch to a fair degree, but the quality of discourse and interaction has dropped like a rock.…

That’s the eternal September. Almost all online communities ultimately either die out or become overflowed by the masses.

I don't understand why that's not okay, though. I get people get attached to communities they're a part of, but just like people, they change and/or die.

If you think about it, it's absurd to expect them not to: Even if the community keeps its member list exactly intact forever, and the members remain at their exact same activity level forever, those very members will change over time. Hell, you will change over time and get to appreciate different qualities of that community.

Same reason my guild's forum feels completely different today than it did 5, 10 years ago.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by robjan » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:22 AM UTC

StudentStuff wrote: post #37

scrollaway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do you give a shit? Given your tone, I'm going to guess you're not asking the GP a question in earnest. You should try to think about why they might "give a shit". Twitter's userbase is its primary feature. Not its shitty UI, not its awful character limit, and none of the stuff mastodon's various UIs are copying. Its userbase . If you want the fediverse to succeed, you need to understand that. And you need to s…

I don't want the fediverse to "succeed", frankly its the only space for us LGBTQ+ to not be harassed, reply guyed, and screen-capped online that isn't a corporate hellhole. Edit: "Success" in our current world seems to be defined as the transition Reddit has gone through, where the userbase has exploded, its eaten Facebook's lunch to a fair degree, but the quality of discourse and interaction has dropped like a rock.…

You can ban people, from instances that you disagree with, from replying/following people on your instance if you like. You can also completely isolate your instance or only federate with a whitelisted cluster of instances.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by reitanqild » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:22 AM UTC

FreeHugs wrote: post #21

djsumdog wrote: post #14

JSFiddle is big. They tried. They voiced concerns. They asked foe help. They got a ban with no explanation. Please just join the fediverse. It's broken too, but if you get banned, at least you can open an alt on another server. Force Twitter to be irrelevant.

The problem is: I have yet to find a person in the fediverse that interests me. I like to read tweets from accomplished people. Successful startup founders for example. Is there anybody out there? Any links to people of significance in the fediverse?

Drew DeWalt is there and a number of others, especially the creators of the fediverse like Eugene and others ;-)

FWIW you can also use an account on i.e. Mastodon to follow twitter users. I suddenly realized because I was following a twitter users through a gateway, probably because someone had boosted a tweet from that account sometime and I had followed based on that.

That should take care of following at least.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by CodeArtisan » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:24 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #14

JSFiddle is big. They tried. They voiced concerns. They asked foe help. They got a ban with no explanation. Please just join the fediverse. It's broken too, but if you get banned, at least you can open an alt on another server. Force Twitter to be irrelevant.

>Please just join the fediverse.

What would you recommend to start with? Joining the fediverse is like picking a javascript framework; There are a myriad of instances connected to a multitude of networks which are implementing a bunch of protocols. See https://fediverse.party/

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by vanderZwan » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:25 AM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #52

vanderZwan wrote: post #23

What I find strange how this is presented as an either-or option between banning and not banning. You can also have an intermediate warning page. YouTube does this to any third-party website for example. Something like "Warning: JSFiddle has been abused by spammers to run crypto mining scripts. We recommend that you that you do not continue to this JSFiddle page unless you trust the source of the link" should work ju…

Twitter doesn't exactly target the kind of demographic that understands what "to run crypto mining scripts" even means, let alone how to assess whether they "trust the source". I mean, it was retweeted by someone I follow and it has a funny picture of Trump with a dancing turd emoji on his head, what's there not to trust? It's extremely hard to coach non-technical users into making the right call when presented with…

> It's extremely hard to coach non-technical users into making the right call when presented with a security warning box.

And not presenting them with any call at all is guaranteed to keep them non-technical. We have to take the training wheels off at some point.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by urbanjunkie » Fri, Jun 07, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

StudentStuff wrote: post #49

scrollaway wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please see earlier reply: stop being so accusatory of people who don't use the internet (or live their life) the same way you do. Mock them all you want, in private. Don't bully people because they take selfies, buy tourist gadgets, or follow people you're too good for.

Your really projecting here, but you do you!

What a weak-ass response.

If you can't deal with adult conversation, fuck off and cry elsewhere.