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I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by cannonedhamster »

throwmex wrote: post #247
scarejunba wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a startup forum, dude. He’s talking more to fellow creators than users. We prefer this.

It sounds right from a tech speak. But the question remains if he will treat the paid customers with this same attitude.

So to summarize

1. You don't have anything better as a term

2. It's a valid and well understood term on the board you're on

3. It's a legitimate problem for those with finite resources

That leads to the conclusion that you probably don't pay for things often which is why you got your feelings hurt. There is literally no way that term should be offensive to you unless you abusively take advantage of services and then some then when it comes time to pay.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by mixmastamyk »

GuiA wrote: post #215
mixmastamyk wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. However, to get feedback for a new project you probably need all you can get. Getting any at all can be surprisingly difficult. Therefore one rarely can throw out the negative comments. Perhaps copy them to a file of notes and edit them to their core essence to minimize the sting.

Feedback from total strangers is overrated. You have no clue where their feedback comes from (are they a prospective user? Some grumpy programmer who just wants to rant about your choice of framework? A product designer used to operating in a certain environment that just doesn’t apply to you? etc). Separating the wheat from the chaff from anonymous posters is tricky business. Thinking of it as good feedback vs bad f…

You’ll still have to filter it on other criteria as well, agreed.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by throwmex »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #251
throwmex wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds right from a tech speak. But the question remains if he will treat the paid customers with this same attitude.

So to summarize 1. You don't have anything better as a term 2. It's a valid and well understood term on the board you're on 3. It's a legitimate problem for those with finite resources That leads to the conclusion that you probably don't pay for things often which is why you got your feelings hurt. There is literally no way that term should be offensive to you unless you abusively take advantage of services and then…

An internet summarizes and makes a well informed conclusion :-

Which is, I probably don't pay for things and felt hurt when I saw "yet another paid note taking app" amongst dozen others on the internet.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by throwmex »

toss1 wrote: post #194
throwmex wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think his user conversion will be if he uses "Free rider who eats resources" verbiage in his pricing page as opposed to "free"

HaHa! The "eats resources" would not be the most friendly approach . . . although framed in the right context, the A/B test might come out different than we expect! Overall I agree, if all you are saying is that the "free rider who eats resources" phrasing isn't the most customer friendly possible usage, all other things being equal

All I was saying is if he calls trial users "free riders eating resources" on a tech site which we all understand the verbiage and where this comes from.

How will he treat paying customers ? I smell double standards. That's all I am saying.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by cannonedhamster »

throwmex wrote: post #253
cannonedhamster wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So to summarize 1. You don't have anything better as a term 2. It's a valid and well understood term on the board you're on 3. It's a legitimate problem for those with finite resources That leads to the conclusion that you probably don't pay for things often which is why you got your feelings hurt. There is literally no way that term should be offensive to you unless you abusively take advantage of services and then…

An internet summarizes and makes a well informed conclusion :- Which is, I probably don't pay for things and felt hurt when I saw "yet another paid note taking app" amongst dozen others on the internet.

None of your comments have been relevant to the app. Your comments been complaints about specific verbiage used to describe a particular problem, common to startups, that the dev wished to avoid. We'd love to hear your points on what the app could use, however you've done nothing but insinuate that the developer doesn't appreciate his users because a particular word choice caught you wrong. I can see no other reason someone would take offense to a word choice unless they were personally offended. Please feel free to enlighten us by refuting any point of my comment. Your reply realistically doesn't do anything to respond to my summary.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by frosted-flakes »

If you're targeting your service to developers, you shouldn't set irritating password requirements like "alphanumerics and symbols". Whatever that means, because my password is still being rejected even though it satisfies both requirements (it has both letters and symbols).

Yet, you allow 4 character passwords ("4-100 characters"). What's the logic in that?

Edit: it looks like the password requirement is actually "any characters except whitespace". You should fix the error message.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by eevilspock »

craftzdog wrote: post #85
eevilspock wrote: post #79

Why all that effort to have synced Side-by-side View instead of implementing an editable WYSIWYG view, like Typora? (Typora is nice, and popular, but it has some serious performance and usability issues. Some competition would be good.)

The author here. That's a personal preference. I don't like WYSIWYG but do prefer plain Markdown.

Sure, I get that, totally. When you are in the Markdown view. But when you need to view the rendered rich text form, isn't it much more efficient and far more user-friendly to show just that, and allow it to be edited?

In other words, Inkdrop's two views could be Markdown and WYSIWYG (both editable), rather than Markdown and Side-by-side.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by zimpenfish »

mdhughes wrote: post #191
jamesgeck0 wrote: post #174

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> Without the experience of making and supporting such tools, you'll never acquire wisdom, or many useful skills. There's nothing special about those specific tools. Instead, you'll acquire the wisdom and skills from the experience of making and supporting different tools. Ideally tools that don't already exist thousands of times over.

Go ahead and invent some totally unique tool nobody's ever seen before. I'll wait. You, uh, you got one yet? No? The point is to make your own version of a thing; it doesn't have to be one of those few I listed. To see that some other design or implementation doesn't satisfy you, and analyze why, and do it "right". You can only get that by writing something you can compare to something else. If you do invent a thing…

> Go ahead and invent some totally unique tool nobody's ever seen before.

I think people invent totally unique tools[1] all the time but, crucially, they'll be commercially sensitive or rarely of interest or use to anyone else.

[1] Of course, it depends how you define this. Decades ago I wrote something to blank out (not strip) comments in C++ source for someone. Is that a 'totally unique tool'?

> And to a certain extent, I don't consider people incapable/unwilling to do this "programmers". Merely typists.

Yeah, this is elitist nonsense.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by Too »

nathan-io wrote: post #223
scarface74 wrote: post #140

Should I be as impressed as I am that one guy has an app that works on 5 different operating systems even if he is using a cross platform framework or has cross platform front end development become that easy? Whichever it is, great job! I don’t need something like this right now, but I am favoriting it just in case I do later.

I certainly am. The only thing I disagree with is the lack of a web client. It just seems like you could save a ton of work by starting with the web client, then create desktop versions via something like todesktop.com. Then you're spending less time on updates - it's just one desktop version, and the iOS + Android versions are just consuming data from your API anyway. Love the BYO CouchDB feature - very interesting!

A high quality note taking app is all about sleek UI. "Just consuming data from an API" is going to be 5% of the development effort.

Re: I've been building a Markdown note-taking app for 3 years

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Post by TheGrumpyBrit »

jammygit wrote: post #213
TheGrumpyBrit wrote: post #50

It looks good, and I like your pricing model more than the Standard Notes one (I don't want to drop $149 at once on a web app, but the 75% discount for doing so makes the monthly price seem way too expensive). Two things that stop me pulling the trigger: 1. I need a web app. I want to be able to call up my notes from a computer, anywhere, without installing anything. 2. A 60 day trial seems like the wrong way to test…

To chime in, I like standard notes a lot and I found their pricing was reasonable enough

$10/month is at the high end of what I'd consider paying for a note app - that's more than Microsoft Office. $2.50 is a bargain, but I don't want to pay for 5 years at once (although I can certainly understand the reasoning behind that model). $4-5 (OP's app or notion.so) is right on the money for what I'd expect to pay for this kind of tool.
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