New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux • Hacker News Board

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by freakz » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:45 PM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #93

antonios wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given his track record one can assume that Craig Wright is lying in just about everything he says. The rest is not evidence; looks more like a list of coincidences. People have been desperate to find Satoshi. Like you said, a lot of people want this to be true.

what makes me suspicious is that Document 187 got filed not long after the Atavast story made its rounds. So there was some time for this conspiracy to develop. I really want it to be LeRoux. He would make an awesome Satoshi compared to Craig Wright. But I'm pretty sure the real Satoshi is dead otherwise Wright wouldn't be so noisy with his claims. Wright attracts a lot of attention so I wouldn't be surprised if he h…

Paul LeRoux is from Rhodesia.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by avs733 » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:49 PM UTC

gtirloni wrote: post #13

avs733 wrote: post #7

So sincere question...does this matter? What is added to the social value of bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general? I'm not asking to just dismiss it...just why we are perpetually having/focusing on this discussion is intriguing to me

It matters as much as the new royal baby. People have a fixation with these things.

So that was my initial (curmudgeonly) reaction but I posted my question with an open mind and the responses have honestly changed my perspective.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:51 PM UTC

tribeofone wrote: post #79

ak39 wrote: post #78

"The newfound Satoshi candidate is Paul Solotshi Calder Le Roux, a 46-year old former cartel boss, drug smuggler, arms dealer, informant to the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and genius programmer." How do you run a drug cartel, be responsible for gun running, play undercover informant for the DEA and still have time to program in C++ AFTER thinking deeply about the best architecture for crypto-currency th…

Some people are just orders of magnitude smarter than the rest of us. Look at Kim.com, how was this guy able to run a series of companies, become a multimillionaire and be the #1 rated Call of Duty player in the world? I can hardly manage holding down a job, and coaching my kid's soccer team!

I know Kim because I interviewed with his company "Data Protect" in Munich in person.

He was a hero back then in infosec and kids like me were told by "the Internet elders" that if you want to make it in InfoSec you have to work for Dataprotect ... "because this is a company where the boss flies to work with his helicopter". I was young and easy to impress and this kind of talk was even echoed by fyodor @ insecure.org so it wasn't just idiots like myself who believed it.

When I met him and his other German partner in September 2000 at his swanky office in Nymphenburgerstraße all my alarm bells rang because they had literally cartoon cut-outs of Kim and posters of Kim everywhere plastered around the office.

Kim is a genius in managing his brand but he isn't a hacker, in fact his questions in the interview were so lame that I felt really disappointed. Later it turned out that he hasn't even done the credit card hacks that he used to say he did. Instead he made his money with insider trading and ponzi schemes during the dot-com bubble which was the reason why he did a runner and why German authorities wanted him for so long.

Kim isn't a technology genius, he is just a really good con-man (oh btw his real name is "Kimble Schmitz", which sounds way less cool than Kim Dotcom).

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:53 PM UTC

freakz wrote: post #101

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what makes me suspicious is that Document 187 got filed not long after the Atavast story made its rounds. So there was some time for this conspiracy to develop. I really want it to be LeRoux. He would make an awesome Satoshi compared to Craig Wright. But I'm pretty sure the real Satoshi is dead otherwise Wright wouldn't be so noisy with his claims. Wright attracts a lot of attention so I wouldn't be surprised if he h…

Paul LeRoux is from Rhodesia.

true, and thanks for the correction, I must have gotten confused by him having a girlfriend there.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by mlcrypto » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 7:55 PM UTC

drexlspivey wrote: post #51

mlcrypto wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another theory says that is the perfect way to hide in plain sight if you were the real Satosh

Or you know, if you want to hide the fact that you are satoshi don't tell people you are satoshi?

He's so smart he's realized the best way to hide it is to make people think you're desperate for attention

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by jiveturkey » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

ak39 wrote: post #78

"The newfound Satoshi candidate is Paul Solotshi Calder Le Roux, a 46-year old former cartel boss, drug smuggler, arms dealer, informant to the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and genius programmer." How do you run a drug cartel, be responsible for gun running, play undercover informant for the DEA and still have time to program in C++ AFTER thinking deeply about the best architecture for crypto-currency th…

He didn't do all of these things in parallel. Rather, in serial.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by saltminer » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #53

lugg wrote: post #46

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Name one major bank not working on blockchain tech right now. I guess an upending isn't a totally accurate description but I haven't seen banks this motivated to innovate in a long time.

> Name one major bank not working on blockchain tech right now. Name one major bank actually shipping something blockchain related that works better then what we had before. Major banks occasionally announce that they are tinkering with it. There's a couple of reasons for why they do so. 1. Some senior engineer who is personally interested in cryptocurrencies with political clout wants to work on a hobby project, and…

"Blockchain" is also a really vague term. Depending on your definition, git may well be using blockchain technology, and submitting patches for it could count as working on blockchain stuff.

>Notice how this list omits "Building a useful product that will make us more money."

Absolutely. I remember seeing an email at a previous employer about their new blockchain as a service offerings. I looked at a couple of the examples they gave - the first was an over-engineered revision history system, and the second was a chain of trust that had no way to account for the item being swapped out or tampered with in transit. But I'm sure they bragged about it to their investors.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by tomelders » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:04 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #52

tptacek wrote: post #36

Evidence: * Both Le Roux and Satoshi did significant cryptography projects. * Both Le Roux and Satoshi work in C++. * Wright claimed in legal filings to have been involved with Le Roux. * Allegedly, Wright and a friend have built a cluster of computers to crack secrets, which the theory presumes to be the password for a TrueCrypt volume with Le Roux's bitcoin key. * Le Roux has an alias, "Solotshi", which sounds like…

I want this to be true so we can stop having stories written about it once and for all. (I mean, why does it matter? Someone desires privacy, and we as a community are hellbent on depriving them of any... what does that say about our moral character?)

What is your fascination with my forbidden closet of mystery?

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by danShumway » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #99

johnnycab wrote: post #88

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>(I mean, why does it matter? Someone desires privacy, and we as a community are hellbent on depriving them of any... what does that say about our moral character?) Are you talking about Paul Le Roux or Craig Wright? Both of them have been actively craving recognition and courting notoriety of their own accord, for differing reasons ─ either due a flaw in their character or empty spots in their souls, probably not re…

> Are you talking about Paul Le Roux or Craig Wright? Neither. I was talking about Satoshi Nakamoto. It disturbs me that so many people are willing to unmask Satoshi. More generally: It horrifies me that, when confronted with someone who created something neat and only wanted privacy, everyone's instinct is to deprive them of their privacy. What the fuck, humanity?

One of the big selling points of Bitcoin originally was privacy (whether or not it ever delivered, other people can debate). But there's a special kind of horribleness in working so hard to unmask someone who is in part famous because they helped build a privacy-protecting payment system.

Do people who spend time obsessing over the fact that they might not personally get to know the real world identity of one famous person understand how much it undercuts every other argument they will ever make about privacy? Shouldn't the Bitcoin community be collectively the biggest and most forceful group of advocates for leaving Satoshi the heck alone?

The hypocrisy of a website called "Invest In Blockchain" popularizing what is essentially a giant doxing campaign is apparently lost on this article's writers/editors.

Re: New Evidence Suggests Satoshi Nakamoto Is Paul Le Roux

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Post by jiveturkey » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

gm3dmo wrote: post #94

In a forum post from 2002, 7 years before Bitcoin was released, somebody posted something that sounds an awful lot like an early idea of Bitcoin ... The comments in the screenshot claimed to be from 2002 are from gmail.com addresses. Gmail was launched April 2004.

the gmail.com comment is a reply, dated 2014. Later on in the thread, the original post, being replied to, is shown to be from 2002. Necrothread.

the screenshot you're referring to doesn't show any dates.