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The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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I have been lucky enough to be able to work and live in several countries around the world. One thing in common I noticed in all these places is that guys and girls don't have time and don't want to commit to a stable long relation. They invest pretty much themselves and their time in their career, traveling , parties, dogs, cats and bitcoins :) ! The mantra is to get rich and retire at 40 years old! Travel the world…

I believe what you described is called 'survivor bias'.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the liberation of women from the home and from conservative sexual values. Everyone is unhappy, married people on average are happier than unmarried, religious people are on average happier than unreligious people. The sexual and feminist revolution got some 'splainin to do. Of course, my view, the answer isn't "liberating women from the bonds of motherhood and family" but empowering women and supporting them in ar…

Feminism was motivated by the minority of women that wanted a job in 1950, and their legitimate frustration with how the system was trying to stop them from doing that. Somehow that got switched around into a society where almost every woman is required to have an income. It's like we went from oppressing half of all women to oppressing the other half of all women.

It's a form of prisoners dilemma. "Cooperating" with traditional society meant being a single-income couple. "Defecting" is being a dual-income couple. Once enough couples start defecting, they're so much more competitive that other couples have to defect to survive.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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show me a country that suffers from loneliness, i will show you a country that has over 30% net tax burden on the individual, and where currency value is so destroyed that most couples cannot reasonably retire without both having to work for their entire adult lives.

Simply put, we work more to pay more to the man. And our children and grandparents pay the price, via daycares, retirement homes, and to opioids

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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This is one of the reason I married into a (liberal) middle eastern family: while we have enough room for our own when we need it, the traditional family ties are so strong that it is impossible to get sick from loneliness. I'd rather be stressed from too many people around me than being alone, western style.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Opinion vs opinion driven by marketing. At the end of the day, the mom who chose to breast feed her baby using formula will argue that breast milk lack essential nutrients as opposed to scientifically researched formula and and the cross-fit practitioner will tell you their regime is safe and sound for the human body. Who wins at the end of the day? Me. The one selling you the dream with frequently purchased items such as products and services to improve your chosen lifestyle.

Solution? Build a family that consists of blood relation and friends that are not fickle like your aunt Judy. People who can show genuine support and encouragement when you talk to them about life. If the "family" doesn't show goodwill, boot them. You want absolute loyalty. Fuck high school drama.

Otherwise, you will grow old, grumpy and lonely like your uncle Jerry. Mom and dad are dead; best friend settled down with a family; old Henry broke off with you; and a trip to the Land of Smiles isn't so happy anymore when no one visits you, but elementary kids during their field trips to your retirement home.

Jokes aside, have a family or don't. People like me are the real winners...you're just a by-product of our secret marketing. With that said, how do you feel about our latest product we know can improve your lifestyle immediately without any side effects in less than 7 days for as little as $0.25 a day (ps: your friend probably uses it too, no wonder he's always better than you).

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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My mother, dad, aunts, etc. all immigrated to the US in a period of about 5 years. They all settled in Brooklyn and a few even lived in the same apartment complex. Growing up the extended family was HUGE and someone new was over every Sunday. The next generation has become geographically spread out, I moved to the West Coast, a few of my cousins are in college out of state.. about half of this generation is likely to…

I find myself an anomaly and doubt my life choices sometimes for deciding to stay near family rather than chasing the career dream. But perhaps it's because I saw the cost, in my parents' generation, of immigration and long distances. I saw the benefits too...

I moved away from family to a new city around 5 years ago for a job, and I'm in the midst of deciding if I should move back. Most of my immediate and extended family lives where I grew up, but job prospects aren't as good (I work remotely, so less important but still relevant), and culturally it's probably a step down from where I am. That said, I'm from a fairly large family, and having them around is something I miss despite visiting several times a year.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Is it any wonder with the rise of no-fault divorces, feminism attempting to dismantle the patriarchy, women entering the workforce without wages adjusting in proportion to the increase of workers, and the general attitude that women seem to have toward men now? How can someone look at the situation of how men are under attack from essentially every direction, yet they are expected to still marry women who have been w…

> yet they are expected to still marry women who have been with an unknown number of partners Why does this matter?

For women, divorce risk spikes sharply after the first sexual partner: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1741-3737....

Excerpt:

>The results presented in this article replicate findings from previous research: Women who cohabit prior to marriage or who have premarital sex have an increased likelihood of marital disruption. Considering the joint effects of premarital cohabitation and premarital sex, as well as histories of premarital relationships, extends previous research. The most salient finding from this analysis is that women whose intimate premarital relationships are limited to their husbands—either premarital sex alone or premarital cohabitation—do not experience an increased risk of divorce. It is only women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship who have an elevated risk of marital disruption. This effect is strongest for women who have multiple premarital coresidental unions. These findings are consistent with the notion that premarital sex and cohabitation have become part of the normal courtship pattern in the United States. They do not indicate selectivity on characteristics linked to the risk of divorce and do not provide couples with experiences that lessen the stability of marriage.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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I don't know that it's family alone, technology is helping. You can live vicariously through your palm today by holding on to a phone. We see it when people are out and about and peering deeply into their phone as if it's the end of the world. Most people spend more time looking into their phone than talking to others. In some ways it connects us to those far away but disconnects us from those closest to us. In Japan, the hikikomori sometimes have family and yet are lonely, and lock themselves up in their room and just live through black mirrors.

Re: The decline of the family has unleashed an epidemic of loneliness

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Move to another city. Leave your small-town life. Chase your dream. Live alone. Pay more per capita to landlords. Pay more per capita for basic services, for staple foods. Pay businesses to do the household chores that you can't handle alone when you're also working a full-time job, and don't have a family to spread them out among. Buy more stuff to fill that emotional hole. Consume. Live in an apartment. Never see y…

Leave the small town attitudes and pervasive small town social control. Live in close contact with people of many backgrounds and experiences. Learn to be your own person. Earn substantially more in the city, so pay a smaller percent of your wages for basic services and staple foods. Have access to a set of services which are unsupportable in sparse populations. Have your parents become assholes as they are propagandized into xenophobia by a giant foreign corporation.
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