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Wikipedia's 'Timeline of the Far Future' is a great article on the posibilities of our universe's fate [0]. Of note are the entries near the end of the list. Year 10^(10^(50)) : Estimated time for a Boltzmann brain to appear in the vacuum via a spontaneous entropy decrease [1] Year 10^(10^(120)) : High estimate for the time for the universe to reach its final energy state, even in the presence of a false vacuum. Year…
Boltzmann brains may not occur after all [0], which is reassuring [2]. See De Sitter Space Without Dynamical Quantum Fluctuations [1]. [0] http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2014/05/05/squelchi... [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.0298 [2] https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.00850
Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
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Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#122This seems different than the concept of infinite time, where prior to the big band there was something the collapsed into a ball of energy and maybe someday our universe will collapse back again (which has lost merit since we've seen matter in the universe isn't slowing down in spreading apart, but accelerating .. meaning in a few trillion years, atoms may be so far apart that light can't reach anything .. the event…
Wikipedia's 'Timeline of the Far Future' is a great article on the posibilities of our universe's fate [0]. Of note are the entries near the end of the list. Year 10^(10^(50)) : Estimated time for a Boltzmann brain to appear in the vacuum via a spontaneous entropy decrease [1] Year 10^(10^(120)) : High estimate for the time for the universe to reach its final energy state, even in the presence of a false vacuum. Year…
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorta. We are in this thing called space-time. It came out of the Big Bang (we think). There is a finite amount of it (about 45 GLY in radius, maybe). You can only ever see about 14GLY of it due to some speed limits. You can't get to an edge or boundary of space-time because it's not 3-D, it's curved in this really weird way. There are a lot of holes in space-time that we're still thinking a lot about. For some reaso…
The hot big bang is an event in spacetime. It does not generate the manifold itself, although the geometry of the manifold necessarily reflects it, especially near the event itself. There is no evidence to support finiteness of spacetime; there is no reason why there aren't events in the infinite future. The only reason to suspect there are no events in the infinite past is a classical picture of a gravitational sing…
any examples?
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
This kind of discussion always reminds me of the Asimov story "The Last Question" https://www.multivax.com/last_question.html
Similar stories: http://devernay.free.fr/paradoxlost/html/the_end.html https://urbigenous.net/library/nine_billion_names_of_god.htm... http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.sh...
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#125Say we could break any physical rules of our current universe, is there a good theory that would explain how something might have been created out of nothing? i.e. imagine for a second that we're in a simulation and that the current laws of physic are just arbitrary created by a "host". This "host" could have very different physical laws. Could we think of any theory that would explain the creation of something out o…
There's an interesting philosophical line of thought that distinguishes between things that are necessary and things that are contingent. A necessary thing must exist; it can't not exist. A contingent thing may exist, or it may not. In the classical definition of God, he has no beginning or end. He was not created by some other force. He exists necessarily. He just _is_. In fact, many theists describe God using terms…
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#126Pure nothingness has no potential for creation. The laws of physics don't invent themselves, so it would seem that true "nothing" never existed. I'm not talking about the quantum soup of the vacuum of space, because that is something. If we take Hawking's idea that the universe smoothed out to a zero point where there was no time and nothing else, how does that point because laws of physics, gravity, etc? What proper…
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#127This seems different than the concept of infinite time, where prior to the big band there was something the collapsed into a ball of energy and maybe someday our universe will collapse back again (which has lost merit since we've seen matter in the universe isn't slowing down in spreading apart, but accelerating .. meaning in a few trillion years, atoms may be so far apart that light can't reach anything .. the event…
sometimes I have the same question but quite opposite. What if there are miniscule worlds right on our coffee table.
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
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> what, if anything, is outside the observable universe The answer is similar to the time. Remember, in cosmology there's no really separate space and time, there's only space-time. So when you're looking at the edge of the observable universe, you really looking back in time. So the answer to the question "what is outside" is the same as "what was before". Or, in simpler words, the question is meaningless, as there'…
The observable universe is a growing sphere around earth or where ever you happen to observe it. So to answer the question "what's outside" we just need to wait for the light to reach us. Obviously "outside the observable universe" must be outside of that sphere? Just because stars we see now are not still at that position doesn't make the question meaningless. The answer could be that outside the sphere, right now,…
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorta. We are in this thing called space-time. It came out of the Big Bang (we think). There is a finite amount of it (about 45 GLY in radius, maybe). You can only ever see about 14GLY of it due to some speed limits. You can't get to an edge or boundary of space-time because it's not 3-D, it's curved in this really weird way. There are a lot of holes in space-time that we're still thinking a lot about. For some reaso…
> You can't get to an edge or boundary of space-time because it's not 3-D, it's curved in this really weird way. Can you elaborate? I was under the impression that the curvature is essentially zero and that the universe is open.
Let's take a planar ("equatorial") slice of the expanding universe at a given time. In that slice let's put two test objects that aren't interacting with each other in any way: the gravitational attraction is effectively zero, and there are no electromagnetic or other interactions between them. They also don't decay or radiate. In the flat Minkowski spacetime of Special Relativity these test objects would follow completely parallel worldlines eternally (to the infinite past or the infinite future): the spatial distances are the same in every slice.
One parameter of the RW metric controls the spatial distance between these test objects in the immediately preceeding and immediately following slices. That is the expansion function. In an expanding or contracting RW universe, these objects are spatially closer together in one immediately neighbouring slice and farther apart in the other. In the expanding case, the spatial distances are greater in each slice into the future, and smaller in each slice into the past. "Unslicing", if these objects could (without disturbing their trajectories) measure their distances using RADAR signals, the RADAR distances would always increase into the arbitrary future. Flat spacetimes do not expand: expansion is a manifestation of spacetime curvature.
Another parameter controls whether each slice is spatially flat. If a slice is spatially curved in an expanding RW spacetime, then optical distortions change the observed size of distant objects with the expansion. In practice, this would be encoded as a distance-dependency in the brightness-angle-redshift relationship observed in distant galaxies. This isn't required by current observations made in ultra-deep-field studies, so the universe cannot depart from spatial flatness by more than a tiny amount.
The third relevant parameter is the extent of each slice. In principle every slice can be spatially infinite, no matter where in the past or future the slice is, and that is what accords with observation. However, slices could be merely finite but very large, and there might be a function relating each slice's extent to its past-predecessor or future-successor. A "closed" universe is one in which [a] the spatial curvature discussed above is positive, [b] the slices are finite but very large, and [c] there is no boundary because the slice "wraps" around spherically or toroidally or in some other fashion, and [d] the expansion function decays into a contraction function. Any non-closed universe is "open" to some extent.
This is "punned" with the non-vacuum modelling of the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker expanding universe with various types of matter as a fluid "dust" embedded within the vacuum RW spacetime, wherein the matter in a non-closed RW universe in the sense of the previous paragraph is dense enough that it will eventually collapse. Our two test objects above would still have always-increasing RADAR distances while all the mutually-attracting charged matter that started around them collapses into ever denser structures.
Indeed, in the FLRW model the "dust" motes are galaxy clusters, which individually collapse in a Schwarzschild-like metric (typically one uses a Lemaître-Tolman-Bondi metric, since Schwarzschild is eternal, and LTB is a collapsing dust). However, at the galaxy-cluster scales they're like our idealized test objects: they don't interact much -- after clustered galaxies form they don't really push distant ones around with their emitted radiation, and clusters are far enough apart that the mutual gravitational attraction is basically zero. Coarsely, their RADAR distances always increase into the future. (More finely, clustered galaxies orbit around inside their clusters, so some galaxies (and bits of spinning galaxies) are moving away a bit faster and some slower than expansion carries them. This is the "peculiar motion" of galaxies, and star clusters within galaxies.)
So: spacetime curvature is large, because galaxy clusters were much closer together in the past. Spatial curvature is zero or close to it, because spiral galaxies have roughly the same basic shapes to them (not squashed or stretched) at all redshifts. The universe is open in the sense that in general widely separated galaxy clusters are not at any risk of recollapsing into each other: it is only peculiar motions of galaxy clusters that cause cluster-cluster collisions, like the Bullet Cluster. (Oh, would that such collisions were commonplace: it would provide lots of useful data! But most galaxy clusters are "Eulerian": they have an unexciting view of practically all other galaxy clusters receding from them exactly according to the expansion parameter of the Robertson-Walker metric.)
Re: Physicists Debate Hawking’s Idea That the Universe Had No Beginning
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You can still have causality.
Can you expand on this? How can you have causality - cause and effect - that's divorced from some sort of flow of time?