Apple Sign In • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by nprateem » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 8:07 AM UTC

tekknik wrote: post #538

nprateem wrote: post #446

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I wonder whether that's GDPR compliant. If I give you permission to contact me on me+alias@example.com and you strip off +alias and then contact me on me@example.com, you've inferred data about me I haven't explicitly given you. One could argue that's in a similar ballpark to running a geoIP lookup and then sending me mail through the post.

we’re a B2B app, it’s unlikely a random user will sign up for our service as it’s quite expensive and contract negotiations happen before the account is activated. we also never send marketing blasts or sell (or even collect) any information about our users. we also don’t operate in any country requiring compliance with the GDPR.

Fair enough.

> we also don’t operate in any country requiring compliance with the GDPR

You know it's nothing to do with the country you operate in but the nationalities of your customers though don't you? You could only have a presence on the moon but if you had any EU customers you'd still be bound by the GDPR AFAIK.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by danielscrubs » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:47 AM UTC

sturgill wrote: post #527

swish_bob wrote: post #497

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If the policy is "if you offer one or more authentication providers, you must include Apple sign-in", while it's still a little harsh, I think it's much more defendable and reasonable.

Only if they grandfather existing apps. We made the decision a long time ago to support FB login. That decision now requires us to either stop having an app in iOS, remove FB login (which a good portion of people use exclusively), or implement a new authentication provider _that won't work for people that already have an account with us_. Again, the tech is fine. The strong-arm is indefensible.

You can always choose another platform to develop for if you want to screw the customer over.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by danielscrubs » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

jkirsteins wrote: post #529

addicted wrote: post #478

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GDPR isn’t about addressing monopolies. It’s about addressing privacy and data ownership. Every tech related legislation doesn’t and shouldn’t need to so,be every tech related problem. The EU has other, non GDPR related, mechanisms to handle monopoly issues.

My point is EU will adopt regulation that actively harms competition (such as GDPR), because they have different priorities (e.g. privacy, data ownership as you mentioned). So to me it seems unfounded to say EU cares about market health and is not, in fact, just picking on FB and Google. I am honestly curious what you think are examples of EU mechanisms fostering healthy markets. Maybe the MS case but that is the sam…

Like breaking up the Samsung-Philips cartel?

I’m not sure what kind of examples you want.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by canes123456 » Fri, Jun 14, 2019, 2:24 AM UTC

macintux wrote: post #408

canes123456 wrote: post #392

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Lol, I doubt it. Apple is years late and sucks at doing the leg work of getting third parties to adopt its suck. Look at Apple Pay which was launched at the perfect time.

Apple Pay, the market leader? https://www.similartech.com/compare/apple-pay-vs-google-pay

Great 1% of online stores supports it. I am sure only a fraction of that traffic actually uses apple pay. You are comparing it to google pay that had a terrible UX and like four conflicting versions. They had to catch up to apple pay once it launched. Apple had the perfect product at the perfect time. They complete wasted the US chip switchover. They could have dominated retail purchases.