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Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

seren wrote: post #16
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #13

Why would it need to be robotic? If the friction on those tracks is low enough, then it should be possible to move the whole setup by hand.

Even with low friction, you probably need to apply brakes at rest to avoid having it to move uncontrollably at the wrong time. But certainly it could be manual. By using a motorized motion, you have more freedom in the design, and you can likely move heavier load. Not everyone is necessarily fit enough to push, squat, or reach some part. But this is a good point and I hope you can use the system without power, becaus…

Braking could certainly be done without motors by requiring a handle to be squeezed while moving. With heavier loads I might see the point in using motors, but I think a few pulleys could do the trick as well.

My point is mostly that the robotic part seems to be slapped on to make the whole thing seem more futuristic, when in reality it is just a clever design for a folding bed.

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by vageli »

mr_t wrote: post #15

I've started to sleep on the floor (better said, on two or three blankets on the floor) a year ago because I've read somewhere it helps with back aches. The first week was weird and uncomfortable, but I got used to it quickly. I've never slept that well (frequent sleepless nights before switchting to the ground) and my aches almost vanished. I got rid of my bed since I didn't need it anymore and realized how much spa…

> I've started to sleep on the floor (better said, on two or three blankets on the floor) a year ago because I've read somewhere it helps with back aches. The first week was weird and uncomfortable, but I got used to it quickly.

> I've never slept that well (frequent sleepless nights before switchting to the ground) and my aches almost vanished.

> I got rid of my bed since I didn't need it anymore and realized how much space it took (I live in a single room in a shared appartment). Now my smallish room seems so much bigger, I literally can't even use all that space efficiently (I live quite minimalistic).

> Sure, this isn't for everyone, but overall I can't stop thinking that something I took for granted (everyone needs a bed, right?) is in fact nothing but an accessoire that, in retrospect, even decresed my quality of sleep, therefore even my quality of life.

Do you sleep directly on the floor with no padding whatsoever? I tend to sleep on my side or stomach and have never been able to sleep well on a bare floor.

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by seren »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #21
seren wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with low friction, you probably need to apply brakes at rest to avoid having it to move uncontrollably at the wrong time. But certainly it could be manual. By using a motorized motion, you have more freedom in the design, and you can likely move heavier load. Not everyone is necessarily fit enough to push, squat, or reach some part. But this is a good point and I hope you can use the system without power, becaus…

Braking could certainly be done without motors by requiring a handle to be squeezed while moving. With heavier loads I might see the point in using motors, but I think a few pulleys could do the trick as well. My point is mostly that the robotic part seems to be slapped on to make the whole thing seem more futuristic, when in reality it is just a clever design for a folding bed.

Even if I don't want to be too cynical, it is probably easier to raise funding for robotic furniture than furniture on wheels...

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by fsloth »

deytempo wrote: post #19
brabel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Stockholm and other cities in Europe, people are more than happy to live in tiny apartments around 30sqm that look like the one in the video. Examples in the best areas of Stockholm downtown: https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?location_ids%5B%5D=925970&loc...

until there is 0 risk of a fire on apartment X spreading to apartment Y, I don’t think I could rest easy in an apartment with all of my stuff.

Also the rental of storage space is booming. Pelican Storage seems to be the biggest operators in this area (at least in EU).

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by wlkr »

LUmBULtERA wrote: post #18

"Sir, are you classified as human?" "Negative, I am a meat popsicle." Reminds me of Korben Dallas' place.

I think of his and similar styled apartments often. Clips for those who aren't aware [0] [1]. Bears resemblance to the Capsule Tower [2] [3].

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzOHhzk7zJ0

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZFH4wCLVXY

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakagin_Capsule_Tower

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXRJE2caPNY

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by nine_k »

deytempo wrote: post #17

The irony here is if you have enough money to afford this sort of thing, why would you live in a small space?

Because not buying a $1000 piece of furniture would only pay for 1-2 months of rent of a large space?

If you live in a proper city, like much of Europe, space is at a serious premium.

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by michaelt »

deytempo wrote: post #17

The irony here is if you have enough money to afford this sort of thing, why would you live in a small space?

Although the video depicts tiny one-room apartments, the second market for this is people who'd like some extra space without the cost and inconvenience of extending their house or moving house.

i.e. if you're willing to pay $2000 to get space for a home office or exercise space, that'll get you a pretty fancy folding bed - but it's a fraction of the cost of an extra bedroom.

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by ghaff »

mr_t wrote: post #15

I've started to sleep on the floor (better said, on two or three blankets on the floor) a year ago because I've read somewhere it helps with back aches. The first week was weird and uncomfortable, but I got used to it quickly. I've never slept that well (frequent sleepless nights before switchting to the ground) and my aches almost vanished. I got rid of my bed since I didn't need it anymore and realized how much spa…

Even camping I like having a decent sleeping pad.

But there’s certainly nothing wrong with a futon you roll up (or a sofa bed or Murphy bed) if you’re short of space.

I like a good futon and use one at home (on a platform bed).

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by tomglynch »

mr_t wrote: post #15

I've started to sleep on the floor (better said, on two or three blankets on the floor) a year ago because I've read somewhere it helps with back aches. The first week was weird and uncomfortable, but I got used to it quickly. I've never slept that well (frequent sleepless nights before switchting to the ground) and my aches almost vanished. I got rid of my bed since I didn't need it anymore and realized how much spa…

Do you sleep in the same spot every night? I'm chuckling at the idea of you getting tired and just picking a random bit of floor within your house to lie down.

Re: Rognan robotic furniture for small space living

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Post by ghaff »

michaelt wrote: post #27
deytempo wrote: post #17

The irony here is if you have enough money to afford this sort of thing, why would you live in a small space?

Although the video depicts tiny one-room apartments, the second market for this is people who'd like some extra space without the cost and inconvenience of extending their house or moving house. i.e. if you're willing to pay $2000 to get space for a home office or exercise space, that'll get you a pretty fancy folding bed - but it's a fraction of the cost of an extra bedroom.

You don’t need something robotic but I expect folding beds (especially outside the most expensive cities) see a lot of use in guest bedrooms and similar. A traditional bed sort of locks a room into a guest bedroom function even if it’s rarely used as such. Better to have a sofa bed of some sort and use it for whatever purpose most of the time.
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