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“Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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crazygringo wrote: post #250
scarface74 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How hard is it really to add your own analytics? Isn’t it just logging what your users are doing and sync it to your server when you get a signal? I was writing stuff like this for enterprise field service Windows CE devices over a decade ago.

Logging is easy. Waiting for a connection and syncing reliably and testing that it works is a little harder -- annoying but not too bad. Provisioning a database to store the data, maintain backups, index properly for queries etc., and maintain so it doesn't run out of space or degrade in performance as datasets grow by many orders of magnitude is an entirely separate skillset and harder still. Visualizing it -- comin…

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Post by gsich »

penagwin wrote: post #92
move-on-by wrote: post #34

So far the only kids apps I've used with my little one is 'Sesame Street' and 'PBS Kids Video'. He loves Elmo, and its very handy in the pediatrician's waiting room to have a distraction. I also run a PiHole, and to my displeasure, I've found both these apps use Google Analytics. PBS Kids Video goes a few steps further and uses Google AdWords as well as ScorecardResearch analytics. These publicly funded apps are siph…

I dislike tracking as much as anyone, but can you really fault them for using Google analytics? It's not like PBS choose to use them "to profit off the viewers".

Yes. Do it yourself or don't. Besides that, has any good feature come from using GA?

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Post by blauditore »

kerng wrote: post #26

I totally agree with this! I built a game and naively added ads to it as it seemed a good way to monetize. The game started to be really liked, and had 300k+ downloads overall. Many kids started playing it also. Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! Then I removed all ads, I'd rather make less money but have people play and…

> this includes turning down jobs at Google and Facebook

So did you actually interview with them already knowing that you would reject?

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Post by nobrains »

blauditore wrote: post #323
kerng wrote: post #26

I totally agree with this! I built a game and naively added ads to it as it seemed a good way to monetize. The game started to be really liked, and had 300k+ downloads overall. Many kids started playing it also. Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! Then I removed all ads, I'd rather make less money but have people play and…

> this includes turning down jobs at Google and Facebook So did you actually interview with them already knowing that you would reject?

I think he means that:

1. He will not apply for jobs at Google and Facebook.

AND

2. If attempted to be poached by Google and Facebook, he would decline any offer.

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Post by datavirtue »

kasey_junk wrote: post #218
sdegutis wrote: post #95

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Not OP but I've had some thoughts on ads for a while that I've never shared: 1. Ads ruins user experience. This is pretty much an objective fact. People can and do adapt, but it's moving away from the ideal. 2. Ads often manipulates the user (emotionally, psychologically) to get clicks, which is just downright unethical. 3. Often unethical things are advertised, things that shouldn't even be on the market. These are…

Just as context, the vast majority of ad budgets are not tied to click through metrics. Ford & Coca Cola do not care a whit if you click on their ads. The vast majority of advertising dollars are around a) brand recognition and b) spending to make sure that it’s the people they want to have brand recognition (for coke everyone, for Ford F-150 a particular demographic). They believe this is important. They have years…

Brand recognition. In other words: brainwashing or poisoning. Unethical.

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Post by krageon »

edmundsauto wrote: post #256
hueving wrote: post #252

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IBM and Microsoft both contribute more to open source than Google. In fact, the explosion of the internet occured during their primes moreso than Google. What Google really pushed forward was SaaS and the free price tag was a trick to make it seem as good as open source. But when it comes down to it, Gmail is worse than Windows 7 when it comes to user power. At least you can use windows 7 without a constant connectio…

These are valid counter-arguments; my intention wasn't to litigate the merits of each claim, just to mention that as the parent had trouble conceiving of other options than 1. I will say, however, that your claims would be challenging to verify or refute -- quantity of contributions may not be a good metric, and it appears your Gmail/Win7 comparison is based on a single dimension (user power) which is further limited…

I think you really had a good piece of feedback going until you made it personal in the last paragraph. It does not endear you to the reader and from an intellectual perspective I don't understand why you'd finish an otherwise well-structured response like that. If it was out of anger, I would expect it in the front. Can you explain what made you write it like this?

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Post by Intermernet »

Gaelan wrote: post #262
soulofmischief wrote: post #180

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So what services are exempt from this ban? Does Apple offer a first-party advertisement plugin?

Not anymore, IIRC. Presumably, app developers would be allowed to sell their own ads in some fashion.

If the app developer has 3rd party advertising clients can they sell those ads? What about "affiliate" ads? Where is the line here?

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Post by gbear605 »

blauditore wrote: post #323
kerng wrote: post #26

I totally agree with this! I built a game and naively added ads to it as it seemed a good way to monetize. The game started to be really liked, and had 300k+ downloads overall. Many kids started playing it also. Luckily I realized quickly that kids play on the devices of parents and so the ads they might see are at times super inappropriate! Then I removed all ads, I'd rather make less money but have people play and…

> this includes turning down jobs at Google and Facebook So did you actually interview with them already knowing that you would reject?

It could be that they interviewed with Google/Facebook and then afterward, but before accepting an offer, decided that they couldn’t abide by the moral situation.
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