This has been a topic brought up internally at Apple many times over the past decade. Glad to see it finally moving forward. Although I see the benefits to having a system-version of these packages.. if you're doing anything serious for production then the environment should be containerized.
Does OSX offer reasonable container technology? chroot?
macOS has a native hypervisor framework, Docker and xhyve uses it.
Does this include AppleScript and the Javascript runtime for AppleScripts? They reference Script Editor in the section above, so I'm assuming they're safe. Also, what's the best way to install homebrew if you don't have a system-level ruby? The current installer is a ruby script. Is it possible to get some sort of ruby-bootstrap that can install homebrew and a homebrewed ruby?
No - the problem with the misc other interpreters is that they don’t provide sufficient binary stability for Apple to simply include the newest one in every update (which I suspect they would happily do). They’re not removing the commandline (although moving to zsh? :-/), or banning interpreters. They’re just not including them built into the os anymore. As for the AppleScript and JavaScript questions: Apple makes th…
I think you read more into my question than what I meant. I was asking literally about the best way to install it was without a system level ruby. Once you have homebrew, you can install ruby; but what about before that? Download and install ruby from ruby-lang.org, install homebrew and a brewed ruby, then uninstall the one from ruby-lang.org?
Fucking finally! Between this and deprecating Bash [1], I'm glad macOS is dropping all these obsolete packages it's been including (Emacs soon?). Their antiquity mean they're more of a hindrance to proper development than help.
Now, if they'd officially endorse one open-source packaging solution as an alternative, I'd be fully satisfied.
Does OSX offer reasonable container technology? chroot?
macOS has a native hypervisor framework, Docker and xhyve uses it. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/hypervisor https://github.com/moby/hyperkit
In other words, nothing serious.
Does anyone actually use Docker on Mac?
Xhyve is more of a proof-of-concept than a production-ready tool.
No - the problem with the misc other interpreters is that they don’t provide sufficient binary stability for Apple to simply include the newest one in every update (which I suspect they would happily do). They’re not removing the commandline (although moving to zsh? :-/), or banning interpreters. They’re just not including them built into the os anymore. As for the AppleScript and JavaScript questions: Apple makes th…
I think you read more into my question than what I meant. I was asking literally about the best way to install it was without a system level ruby. Once you have homebrew, you can install ruby; but what about before that? Download and install ruby from ruby-lang.org, install homebrew and a brewed ruby, then uninstall the one from ruby-lang.org?
I’m guessing home brew will end up creating a packaged installer than includes a home brew upgradable ruby
No - the problem with the misc other interpreters is that they don’t provide sufficient binary stability for Apple to simply include the newest one in every update (which I suspect they would happily do). They’re not removing the commandline (although moving to zsh? :-/), or banning interpreters. They’re just not including them built into the os anymore. As for the AppleScript and JavaScript questions: Apple makes th…
I think you read more into my question than what I meant. I was asking literally about the best way to install it was without a system level ruby. Once you have homebrew, you can install ruby; but what about before that? Download and install ruby from ruby-lang.org, install homebrew and a brewed ruby, then uninstall the one from ruby-lang.org?