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“Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by munk-a »

colechristensen wrote: post #36
lotu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously, but where do you want to go with that? Are you suggesting that because kids can use any app on a phone that all tracking and ads should be banned?

I think where it is going is just fine. The reduction of tracking and ads is a good thing, but that there is going to be a FAANG that is explicitly encouraging this is great news. I would prefer if the market itself forced out tracking and ads. Provide a space for it and that space can compete with everything else and if we're lucky will wildly outcompete the competition. This is the kind of walled garden I want to s…

The market is never going to do that at large - but I hope someone somewhere manages to kill tracking and third party data-reselling into non-existence.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by stcredzero »

move-on-by wrote: post #14
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Here is the whole section > 1.3 Kids Category > The Kids Category is a great way for people to easily find apps that are designed for children. If you want to participate in the Kids Category, you should focus on creating a great experience specifically for younger users. These apps must not include links out of the app, purchasing opportunities, or other distractions to kids unless reserved for a designated area beh…

> Keep in mind that once customers expect your app to follow the Kids Category requirements, it will need to continue to meet these guidelines in subsequent updates, even if you decide to deselect the category. I love this. You can't just follow kids guidelines to build up your user-base and then drop it in favor of ads and analytics. Once you follow it, you have to continue to follow it.

This is more proof that apps and games are just another form of media. There are the same issues and conundrums dealing with children's media, as there are for books and television.

I wish there would appear a 2019 version of Children's Television Workshop which would produce wonderful media for the children of today. (Is it already happening in some form?)

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by majewsky »

nkrisc wrote: post #28
criddell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

Honestly all advertising targeted to children should be banned. It's just not fair. Children don't stand a chance against marketing crafted by adults. You're pitting the mind of a child against that of a trained, professional, adult marketer. The kid is their clay to be molded.

> Children don't stand a chance against marketing crafted by adults.

Nobody can stand a chance against someone well-versed in applied psychology (i.e. a marketer).

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by cwkoss »

criddell wrote: post #3
joshstrange wrote: post #2

Here is the whole section > 1.3 Kids Category > The Kids Category is a great way for people to easily find apps that are designed for children. If you want to participate in the Kids Category, you should focus on creating a great experience specifically for younger users. These apps must not include links out of the app, purchasing opportunities, or other distractions to kids unless reserved for a designated area beh…

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

Children are not mature enough to understand that advertisements are lies meant to sell products, and can believe the content of the advertisements are true.

This is harmful to society, particularly as young children are not capable of making purchasing decisions anyways - this is adversarial brainwashing of the most vulnerable.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by duxup »

panpanna wrote: post #9

Google please steal this idea. Edit: current policy is "Ads in your app that are served to children need to be appropriate and served from an ads network that has certified compliance with our families policies." See https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2019/05/building-s...

Considering the state of the play store and such ... probably nobody is paying attention.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by eli »

mithr wrote: post #15
criddell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

In general, I believe it's based on the belief that children in partiular don't yet have the necessary mental tools to be able to properly analyze content -- basically, that they're influenced by media to a much higher degree than adults. > Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed I would guess that proponents of this approach also feel that the contents of TV/magazine ads should be s…

Then why are first-party ads allowed?

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by gridlockd »

pnutjam wrote: post #12

That's great, except there is no way to create a "kids" account without another apple device. My kids school won't participate in the program to create kids accounts for schools, and I don't own other apple devices. So on my rented ipad, the only option is to create a 13+ year old account (for my kindergartner). So now that she's in 2nd grade, apple thinks she's 16. I've complained about this endlessly to the school,…

> I don't mind having a parent account, but you cannot have family accounts without an Ipad or some other apple device, and a single ipad is a single user device.

You can't just log in to the ipad with a parent account, create a child account, log out, then log back in with the child account?

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by munk-a »

mithr wrote: post #15
criddell wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they ban third-party advertising in particular? It seems like advertising should be allowed as long as it's display only with no outward information flow. Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed.

In general, I believe it's based on the belief that children in partiular don't yet have the necessary mental tools to be able to properly analyze content -- basically, that they're influenced by media to a much higher degree than adults. > Basically ads equivalent OTA television or magazine ads should be allowed I would guess that proponents of this approach also feel that the contents of TV/magazine ads should be s…

I think this ability to filter is less a binary switch and more of a scale - people of any age can have trouble resisting advertising and so we just generally need to rethink our stance on what sorts of advertising we allow.

Re: “Apps intended for kids may not include third-party advertising or analytics”

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Post by cwkoss »

Someone1234 wrote: post #23

How does this impact Google's "YouTube Kids" app. It is currently listed as the "Best video app for all kids" on iTunes. It contains more videos advertising stuff to kids than it does any other kind. With McDonalds non-affilitated but clearly still ads being the most prominent.

Google should be shamed for marketing the ability to advertise to children. This is toxic antisocial behavior.
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