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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by mbrameld »

patagonia wrote: post #364

You ever been to a legit protest? Have you been near the police line at a protest when there are thousands of protesters and hundreds of police officers and tensions are high and really not nice stuff is being said all around? And the police officers just stand there at the ready. (Sometimes they don’t and they antagonize protestors or just plain assault then, but my experience has been that is the exception.) I have…

> The job doesn’t pay well.

I think this is an outdated belief. Many officers earn 6 figure salaries in the US.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by dageshi »

core-questions wrote: post #389
dageshi wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a privately owned museum a "public square"? Or a sports stadium owned by a private company? Or a Cinema? Or a threatre? No, neither is youtube. It's a place the public visit not a piece of public infrastructure. Repeating "public square" over and over again does not make it so.

Youtube runs on the back of publicly-funded infrastructure and, as a natural monopoly in the space, it has a position of privilege that needs to be regulated. We need an Internet Bill of Rights to ensure free speech on any platform of this scale. Yes, that means speech you don't like; may I suggest not watching it?

I see, would that include allowing pornography on youtube, or would that not be allowed, if not why not?

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by lugg »

foldr wrote: post #402
lugg wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats not at all what they were saying. The thread states white supremacy was the cause of the wars. It historically and factually was not. It played a role. It was not the cause. Nobody is saying Hitler wasn't a racist (wtf.)

Rebelgecko's comment (which is what I was responding to - not the entire thread) clearly suggests that the Nazi's racist ideology was just for show, and that they didn't really believe it. I doubt you can point to any reputable historian of World War II who denies that the Nazi's racist ideology, and its expansionist tendencies, played a major role in the outbreak of WWII. Think Sudetenland.

Not at all what they were suggesting. Those things bloody happened.

And again, nobody here is denying Nazis were racist.

How can you say it played a major role in the outbreak of war when you can't even say it without tacking on the real causes with an "and" all while ignoring the USA turned a blind eye to the lot of it until Japan got involved?

Nobody here has said it didn't play a role. And it did play a major role later on in WW2 but that's not what this thread is about is it?

Did white supremacy cause WW1 and WW2. No.

Did it play a part? Yes. Why are we talking about this? Because AP minced their words and should have just said nationalist racism.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by jim_dow_jones »

fwip wrote: post #358

You're not pro-LGBT if you think trans women aren't women.

Why not? Do you have to share the views of every single person within a group to be considered a supporter? What if they vote for every pro-LGBT politician that runs for office? What if they vote for every pro-LGBT legislation that they come across? What if they give support and words of affirmation to LGBT family members that are close to them? Why is he suddenly not a supporter because he disagrees with a small part of the discussion? This seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by chrisjc »

TomMckenny wrote: post #383
chrisjc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> White supremacy is a much bigger deal with a worse tail risk than Islamic extremism. Wait... you're saying that white supremacy is worse than islamic extremism? Is you opinion perhaps a manifestation of your perspective? I'm sure there are some people in Syria, Afghanistan, etc... that would disagree with you. BTW, I'm not saying one is worse than the other, just that they are both bad, both a problem, and both sho…

Worse is impossible to determine. But do be aware that white supremacist have committed more acts of violence in the US than Muslim extremist. And this not counting lynching which is a systematic form of terrorism that lasted more than a century. The same people who cheer blocking Al Qaeda now claim that blocking neo-nazis is suppressing conservative views, so right-wing extremism has been and is far more tolerated a…

This is what I mean by "perspective". Youtube is a global platform, much like the rest of social media. We no longer have the comfort of compartmentalizing our opinions into convenient buckets like the "US". Radicalization in any form is transferable through social media as we have seen countless times, ending in countless tragedies.

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Post by la_barba »

chronial wrote: post #303
la_barba wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, we can all speculate. I'm asking for some objective proof, if any such is available. We can only propose a solution if we first demonstrate that the problem is real.

I don't want to assume bad faith, but I have the impression that you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. What about my statement is speculation? • Youtube themselves state that they optimize for watch time. • I don't want to go and search for papers on this, but I don't think the idea that people prefer to have their views validated instead of challenged is in any way controversial or speculation. • It's also n…

Maybe it seems confrontational to you but, I don't think "how do you know this" is the same as "can you make a reasonable guess". I don't want to have a personal back and forth with you on this, because it doesn't serve any purpose.

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Post by low_roar1 »

vowelless wrote: post #262
creaghpatr wrote: post #159

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>A white nationalist uprising in Europe would be deadlier (again) than Islamic extremists taking over most middle eastern nations due to the resources that will be available to them. Reckless speculation considering the latter did happen. You're fearmongering in order to drive censorship and oppression of viewpoints you disagree with.

Yes I disagree with white nationalism. And Islamic extremism. I don’t buy your point :). Islamic jihadis do control a few middle eastern nations. But they are quite powerless in front of the west. Even having access to natural resources like oil doesn’t protect the extremists (do I even need to give examples?). The most concerning Islamic state is Pakistan as it has nukes. But if far right folks take over Austria or…

> But they are quite powerless in front of the west.

They are powerful enough to kill more than a hundred people in Paris, France the same night or thousands the same day in US. Your double standard is unhealthy, they are as much as a threat that any other extremist movement as the Muslim population increases in the west so does their influence. And just like white supremacists they see themselves as victim, of this or that, and a bunch of western politicians are buying into that victimhood complex.

They certainly have more power than you are willing to admit. And they don't care about our petty political fights and partisanship, cause they are religious extremists and don't believe in western petty political games, no matter the political side.

You should read "The management of savagery".

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by patagonia »

mbrameld wrote: post #411
patagonia wrote: post #364

You ever been to a legit protest? Have you been near the police line at a protest when there are thousands of protesters and hundreds of police officers and tensions are high and really not nice stuff is being said all around? And the police officers just stand there at the ready. (Sometimes they don’t and they antagonize protestors or just plain assault then, but my experience has been that is the exception.) I have…

> The job doesn’t pay well. I think this is an outdated belief. Many officers earn 6 figure salaries in the US.

A quick google, the top three results said average was 50k-60k. One result said the top 10% make low 6 figures. I doubt the majority of officers in those lines are top 10%, almost by simple math.

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Post by la_barba »

patagonia wrote: post #297
la_barba wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I assume based on my own use of it and pretty much all the memes and anecdotes from everyone. Well, now that its clear that it is simply an assumption/speculation, then I have no problem with anything you say. Your original comment seemed to imply that this is a demonstrable fact. >It’s not the platforms job to challenge one’s views, rather one’s views are naturally challenged when in an open marketplace of ideas. A…

I cannot speak to “these videos” as I do not know their exact content for each video. I’m against removing content because it is “extreme” or objectionable or even abhorrent. I am pro free speech and willing to pay the cost of allowing speech I disagree with so long as it is “protected” speech.

Okay, then we really don't have any point to disagree on. Have a nice day!

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by foldr »

lugg wrote: post #413
foldr wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rebelgecko's comment (which is what I was responding to - not the entire thread) clearly suggests that the Nazi's racist ideology was just for show, and that they didn't really believe it. I doubt you can point to any reputable historian of World War II who denies that the Nazi's racist ideology, and its expansionist tendencies, played a major role in the outbreak of WWII. Think Sudetenland.

Not at all what they were suggesting. Those things bloody happened. And again, nobody here is denying Nazis were racist. How can you say it played a major role in the outbreak of war when you can't even say it without tacking on the real causes with an "and" all while ignoring the USA turned a blind eye to the lot of it until Japan got involved? Nobody here has said it didn't play a role. And it did play a major role…

>Not at all what they were suggesting. Those things bloody happened.

This is clearly what the comment suggests. It is playing down Nazi racism by suggesting that the Nazis just pretended to be racists when it suited their purposes. (Note the inclusion of “even Jews”, as if to suggest that even the Holocaust was not racially motivated.)

>without tacking on the real causes with an "and"

The expansionism and the racism were intimately linked. Lebensraum.

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