Roundup’s Risks Could Go Well Beyond Cancer

Post by beat » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 5:27 PM UTC

gist wrote: post #78

beat wrote: post #12

I am really looking forward to the day we can replace chemical herbicides with weed-hunting robots. It seems such a huge market opportunity... little, inexpensive bots that can roam a field, picking out weeds the moment they appear as seedlings, never touching the crop itself, not putting anything in the soil. When I was a kid growing up in central Illinois in the 1970s, before Roundup, "walking beans" was a common s…

What is the energy source for that? Solar? Is it therefore possible to have enough solar energy to operate the machinery with enough to pull out and keep on going? And wouldn't you need a tremendous amount of batteries as well? Would seem there would be an environmental impact that could far exceed some kind of potential 'safe' chemical solutions.

Post by dan_quixote » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 5:30 PM UTC

gdubs wrote: post #74

There’s a second order conclusion here that seems to get constantly lost in the conversation. On a bumper sticker it’d be, “It’s the monocultures, stupid.” When we talk about things like glysophate staying around in the soil or making it’s way into the water supply, what we really should be questioning is why so much is being used in the first place. And that’s because we grow fragile annual crops in enormous monocul…

Post by sjg007 » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

manifestsilence wrote: post #6

Here is the paper that made me start to take organic food seriously a few years ago: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/ I don't have the skills to evaluate it in depth but it seems to indicate a plausible connection between glyphosate and leaky gut, which could explain why a lot of people who don't actually have celiac's have troubles with wheat. This is conjecture on my part, but it's possible tha…

Post by beat » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

crdrost wrote: post #70

tcfunk wrote: post #44

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Sort of a tangent here, but I find very often in the workplace that my managers want me to tell them about how I "know" something will work. I never know if something will work. I can only be mostly sure that it will. It goes against my nature so much to respond to these questions the way that they want.

If it helps you out personally, it may be nice to impose a translation filter between the rest of the world and yourself here? These other folks say “know” when they mean “have confidence in” and they are looking for you to similarly say “know” meaning that. Your internal meaning of knowledge can be much stronger, but they are just asking for you to give your reasons why you think that would be the case. You can feel…

Post by crdrost » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #65

crdrost wrote: post #62

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I think you don’t give yourself enough credit by calling it a “romantic ideal of purity;” it really does make a difference. A little pesticide is fine for cosmetic value: people buy more of the prettier fruits and veggies, great. But when you start to apply modern engineering to it, you get extremely powerful pesticides which are able to do something much more dangerous. The most talked-about example of what I am tal…

> McDonald’s French Fry Potato plant I'd love to see any info you have on that, because I'm not seeing anything at all. My Google Fu may be weak, but all I find is that McDonalds continues to deny using GMO potatoes. Also, anecdotally, McDonalds french fries are far from all identical.