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YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by anigbrowl »

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

By all means offer a better solution for dealing with the problem of algorithms matching viewers with extremist content.

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Post by wnevets »

rukittenme wrote: post #27
wnevets wrote: post #15

Why do some people think they're entitled to say what they want on youtube?

Because some people view free speech as more than a legal requirement. Its a philosophy of individual rights.

Why do you think you're right to free speech has anything to do with what you can say on someone else's property?

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Post by root_axis »

warp_factor wrote: post #37
wnevets wrote: post #15

Why do some people think they're entitled to say what they want on youtube?

because it became the de facto place most of non tech-savy people go to to see videos online. They have a huge monopoly on our time and attention and that's extremely disturbing. Imagine that the electricity company providing electricity policed what kind of devices you can use inside your home (you are allowed to connect a Samsung washer but not a Bosh washer). There would be a lot of outcry.

> They have a huge monopoly on our time and attention and that's extremely disturbing.

You mean that you willingly give them control over your time and attention.

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Post by nilkn »

okket wrote: post #22
warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

Sure. We might as well allow public speech in cities and towns to be controlled and limited as well, and if you don't like it you can always just go settle your own town somewhere. There's tons of open land in the US available for cheap after all.

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Post by shadowmore »

luso_brazilian wrote: post #21
coinward wrote: post #2

Censorship bad

The actual rules is very impartial (btw, [1] should be the actual link): > Today, we're taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status. If they apply this rule to every instance of allegation of…

Hate speech is free speech. We know this both through logical deduction and through multiple different Supreme Court rulings. The "impartial" label just obscures the fundamental problem of it being absurd to consider any speech harmful to anyone, ever, especially within the context of an online content platform that isn't meant to be a publisher with a prerogative to edit said content.

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Post by blancNoir »

patagonia wrote: post #33

Will YouTube also remove their algos that send people down rabbit holes of “extreme views” and encapsulate individuals in information bubbles that seem to validate and fail to challenge their views? The platform should shoulder as much or more blame than the content in this case. Free speech man. This is not ok.

From the article:

"In addition to tightening its hate speech rules, YouTube announced it would also tweak its recommendation algorithm, the automated software that shows users videos based on their interests and past viewing habits. This algorithm is responsible for more than 70 percent of overall time spent on YouTube, and has been a major engine for the platform’s growth. But it has also drawn accusations of leading users down rabbit holes filled with extreme and divisive content, in an attempt to keep them watching and drive up the site’s usage numbers."

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Post by [deleted] »

randyrand wrote: post #30
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #5

Note that it's not extreme views (like my adherence to the FSF). Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies". As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.

Maybe I’m under a rock, but I don’t know anyone that argues for that.

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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by empath75 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31
okket wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with. Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to…

This isn’t censorship full stop. What you are advocating for is forcing YouTube to carry content that it doesn’t want to.

I also think it’s grotesque to quote an anti nazi poem in defense of nazis.

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