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Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by toomuchtodo » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

okket wrote: post #22

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

No censorship. You are still free to create your own YouTube clone and publish your extreme political views there. Maybe call it "GabTube"?

"Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

A free society has costs, including tolerating speech you find deplorable. To support censorship because it aligns with your current political leanings makes you no different than the politics you take issue with.

Will you complain if Google mass fires left leaning employees? It's entirely within their right to do. You could even start a competitor to hire those people!

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by lsniddy » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

at best, social media sites will be declared public squares, at worst they'll be utilized. Either one is probably better than the current setup

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by patagonia » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

Will YouTube also remove their algos that send people down rabbit holes of “extreme views” and encapsulate individuals in information bubbles that seem to validate and fail to challenge their views?

The platform should shoulder as much or more blame than the content in this case. Free speech man. This is not ok.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by Bizarro » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

nyc_data_geek wrote: post #17

coinward wrote: post #2

Censorship bad

Germany does fine not allowing for nazi ideology to be espoused. Commoditizing the spread of bad ideas is not, in fact, a public good.

The U.S. isn't Germany. The U.S. has a first amendment.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by vuln » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

warp_factor wrote: post #10

And here we go. As usual the "racist" pretext is being used to censor videos. I have no doubt that there are some terrible awful racist videos in that lot but you have to wonder how many times this is ALSO used as a mean to censor pretty much any video that the youtube execs don't like. Censorship is getting worse Edit: Replacing "Censorship is coming back" with "Censorship is getting worse"

> Censorship is coming back

Censorship never left. What's changing is who controls the Censorship and those few people are wielding very very powerful weapons of mass surveillance that will ultimately "disrupt" civilization as we know it.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by GrayTextIsTruth » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #5

Note that it's not extreme views (like my adherence to the FSF). Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies". As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.

> other bigoted ideologies

That's not specific enough. What about people who want to preserve European culture but don't think its "superior" to any other culture?

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by warp_factor » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #15

Why do some people think they're entitled to say what they want on youtube?

because it became the de facto place most of non tech-savy people go to to see videos online. They have a huge monopoly on our time and attention and that's extremely disturbing.

Imagine that the electricity company providing electricity policed what kind of devices you can use inside your home (you are allowed to connect a Samsung washer but not a Bosh washer). There would be a lot of outcry.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #5

Note that it's not extreme views (like my adherence to the FSF). Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies". As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.

I agree to an extent. I prefer a world where extreme hate calling for death of others doesn’t happen and isn’t tolerated. So the McVeighs (and death calling mullahs) of the world and company are justifiably deplatformable and if possible prosecuted for terroristic threats (and whatever else applies).

What I don’t agree with is conflating that with being un-PC. Or having s difference of opinion on contentious social topics, even if they can be personally offensive.

For example, for some, abortion is seen as pro-death. For others denying asylum is tantamount to a death sentence and thus is also death and hate. Or saying “f the police”. Police will say that is calling for hate, etc.

Today it feels like the PMRC was just a few decades too early. Would music be better without misogyny, violence, yes, in many respects but also we would deny a voice to those who feel oppressed and need an outlet to voice against the mainstream understanding.

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by Madmallard » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

nyc_data_geek wrote: post #26

Madmallard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this is that mediums like facebook and youtube have completely monopolized the attention of the masses. You basically have to use them. So either play along or be irrelevant. No alternative.

Freedom of speech is not entitlement to an audience. People can always make a sign and shout in the park.

You don't really have a chance at an audience without using the platform..

Re: YouTube to Remove Thousands of Videos Pushing Extreme Views

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Post by dontreact » Wed, Jun 05, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

Madmallard wrote: post #13

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #5

Note that it's not extreme views (like my adherence to the FSF). Nope, we're talking about "videos and channels that advocate for neo-Nazism, white supremacy and other bigoted ideologies". As much as I don't like censorship, views that advocate for extermination of other people can rightly fuck off.

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How is removing a video from YouTube the same as literally killing someone?