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Cat Declawing Is Banned by New York State Lawmakers

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> Castration is a bit of a brute force for population control. No reason we couldn't also give cats vasectomies. Male un-neutered cats, somewhat like some of their human un-neutered counterparts, are prone to aggressive, overly sexual, and territorial behaviour (including spraying). Likely fine on on an outdoor farm cat, but probably not what you want for a pet who lives in your house.

This feels awfully close to the argument that cats with claws cause damage. Specifically indoor cats, that will never have to defend themselves from anything.

A feral cat sprays in a way incomparable to a cat playing on a couch. They see another cat/dog/person/strange thing out the window and they will spray the door. You come into the house smelling like your friends dog and they spray your shoes. They spray their favorite places to sit or hang out to mark it as theirs. It is a really hard habit to break compared with scratching on furniture. It's not all that hard to train even a kitten not to be aggressive on furniture and it relies on giving them better outlets to scratch on instead, like a good scratching post and plenty of convenient cardboard scratchers, and actively discouraging bad behavior while praising good behavior. You can't really give a feral cat an outlet to spray on, they will spray everywhere they are if they are going to spray at all. It's a territorial behavior, not just rowdy play.

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> I'm actually somewhat torn on this one. At face value, I fully agree. More, none of my cats have been declawed, as I just don't see the point. > That said, I also don't buy the mutilation argument at face value. We literally castrated all of our male cats, and nobody bats an eye. Indeed, you seem to be frowned upon if you don't. Surely that is as mutilating to a male cat as losing a knuckle? At least castration has…

Failing to declaw an outdoor cat lets the cat kill more birds; cats are an invasive species that kill billions of birds per year.

It also prevents your cat from defending itself from other cats, dogs, raccoons, possum, fox, insert local critter here that will fuck up your cat, in the event your cat gets loose. You shouldn't let your cat be unsupervised killing birds, that's just irresponsible as you say.

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I guess I don’t understand why people feel so strongly about this issue. The cats I interacted with growing up were mostly declawed indoor cats and seemed happy and playful. It was less about furniture and more about not getting scratched (or having dogs get scratched).

If one is afraid of getting scratched, don't get a pet with claws. Fish are pretty harmless.

I just suspect this is something humans care a lot about, but doesn’t actually bother cats that much.

Based on the descriptions I read from the people against declawing cats - it doesn’t seem like their arguments are very accurate. It feels a lot more emotional and more like they’re making up arguments to back their existing position (rather than actually looking at harm done).

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I guess I don’t understand why people feel so strongly about this issue. The cats I interacted with growing up were mostly declawed indoor cats and seemed happy and playful. It was less about furniture and more about not getting scratched (or having dogs get scratched).

If one is afraid of getting scratched, don't get a pet with claws. Fish are pretty harmless.

You are also supposed to be regularly trimming nails so they aren't sharp, back paws too.

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In addition to what the others have said, it's less painful and easier to have done when younger. This is like saying parents shouldn't be allowed to make kids go to school, they should wait until they're old enough to make the decision themselves. Sometimes parents need to make a decision for their children, it's only logical.

That’s such bullshit reasoning. It’s weird, sick, body mutilation of a child without their consent.

It's not bullshit at all. Let's look at it a different way. If a child has some physical mutation such as webbed feet, an extra finger, or some other physical difference that they wouldn't affect their health, you're telling me a doctor shouldn't ask if a parent would like to have something done about it and instead the child should grow up with that until they are old enough to give consent? When is a proper age for consent?

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In case somebody without experience is reading this and wanting to try to cut the nails back, make sure you don't cut them back too far or you'll clip the vein inside and cause them to bleed and a lot of pain (imagine cutting your nail off halfway to the cuticle). If you cut the nails in a well lit room you can actually see the vein inside so you can avoid it. Alternatively you can also bring them to a groomer to hav…

It might be an old wives tale but a dab of corn starch will help clot the bleeding. Best though to not cut too deep. Unrelated but I recently learned they use lasers for parrots to trim the claws while coterizing.

While that's nifty, I don't think it's very humane. It still hurts for the animal.

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It might be an old wives tale but a dab of corn starch will help clot the bleeding. Best though to not cut too deep. Unrelated but I recently learned they use lasers for parrots to trim the claws while coterizing.

While that's nifty, I don't think it's very humane. It still hurts for the animal.

Nail clipping is humane. However, just like with human nails, if you clip too close to the quick (the blood vessel), which can happen for myriad reasons (accidentally, it's good to know Corn Starch can be used as a styptic in a pinch, and you can also purchase styptic powder. Ideally, if the blood vessel is cut you should get the wound looked at so it can be assessed and cleaned by a veterinarian.

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This feels awfully close to the argument that cats with claws cause damage. Specifically indoor cats, that will never have to defend themselves from anything.

Cats with claws absolutely do cause damage to furniture (mine is ruined). If you care about your furniture you shouldn’t have a cat. I believe the morality laws around surgery on pets are something like “It’s ok to perform surgery on pets as long as your intent is to inflict psychological damage; so as to break their will and make the animal more domesticated, but it’s not ok if it’s purely cosmetic”. Don’t question…

I have had cats for years. it is easy to train them not to scratch things - without resorting to throwing stuff at them.

When I have adopted senior cats who are resistant to change I have just buyild scratching posts that sit beside the couch.

Just like kids and dogs, you need to not only say NO, but to also say YES to what they can do.

If you value your couch over your cats well-being you do not deserve a cat.

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It is usually done to prevent the cat from a natural behaviour (scratching) which can usually be fixed by getting a proper scratching pole and monitoring you can for a week or two to prevent them from scratching anywhere else. Declawing often introduces other behavioural problems (biting, soiling outside the cat box) which are usually a sign of your cat not liking the situation. Castration is for the male cat a small…

Thanks. So it sounds like, yes, there are clearly identifiable, negative behavioral changes in the animal.

Sorry about the poor structure and ranting quality of the post. Wrote it on my phone over the course of 25 minutes and didn't proofread it.

The Wikipedia entry about declawing is pretty good if you are still interested.

Re: Cat Declawing Is Banned by New York State Lawmakers

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Thanks. So it sounds like, yes, there are clearly identifiable, negative behavioral changes in the animal.

Sorry about the poor structure and ranting quality of the post. Wrote it on my phone over the course of 25 minutes and didn't proofread it. The Wikipedia entry about declawing is pretty good if you are still interested.

Thanks again. The wikipedia article actually seems considerably more measured—behavioral changes are observed, but for a small percentage of subjects in most studies, and at those levels I really wonder how much is a placebo (on the part of the observer, not the cat, ofc)
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