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Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

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post #34

I've dumped Chrome altogether since FF 67 was released. My only gripe is they still aren't blocking ALL ads, but regardless it's a way better user experience now than it ever was. Firefox 67 feels like a whole new beast compared to their older versions. If you haven't tried FF for a while I recommend doing so and I suggest trying it across multiple devices. The tab management, syncing, pinning and sending etc. across…

They can't and likely won't ever block ALL ads because they are funded through a search contract with Google. The whole point of that contract is to drive ad revenue.

I'm pretty sure they just sell the contract to the highest bidder, they don't need Google. In fact, for some time Google decided not to renew the contract, so they went with Yahoo instead.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#253

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How so? This is exactly what personal profiles do. Keeping a separate cookie jar, local storage, history, extensions. Basically only the browser version and OS related stuff is left to track you. Ok, except if Google tracks browser usage directly. I've been using separate profile for each of the evil websites I have to use, no cookie leaking.

Firefox splits the functionality of Chrome profiles into two different things: Profiles contain all your settings, history, bookmarks, themes, sync settings, etc. They’re stored in a folder on disk. It’s kinda a hassle to switch between them. Containers isolate cookies (and other stuff?) within a single tab or group of tabs. It lets you run a specific website or set of websites in isolation from your other browsing a…

I do wish there was a sync option, since I have to setup the containers and rules for opening websites in those containers every time from scratch.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#254
post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually you did, because the world does not exist to serve you, it's a mutual transaction between two parties. Websites need to make money and understand how users are using their service so they can survive and improve. 99% of the data anyone is collecting which you call "stalking" is either available in server logs or could be easily modified so that it was. I guess you might just have to stop using the internet.

Actually I didn't, because it's my device and it will operate how I see fit. This includes not being coopted to spy on me. My only 'contract' with the other party is that I requested some information, and they supplied it. I can render it how I see fit, or not at all. Websites can find a way to operate without this information stream or go bust, it's no skin off my nose one way or another. > 99% of the data anyone is…

If you're not paying (via ads or otherwise), and you're actively trying to block analytics which make services better, then you're a leech that should not have access to the content/service.

Fortunately blocking the Firefox agent for non-paying users is easy, as is detecting the blocking of these scripts in the case that you try to change the user agent.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#255
post #155

Unpopular opinion on HN - Majority regular net users don't care about tracking and the FF focus on privacy will not give them the browser landscape they are losing daily. They should be focused on giving a better smooth UI, make it faster, remove unwanted extensions like pocket, make all the sites work. Let's see how valid this comment is in couple of years.

Regular people at the bar in my non-SF town can be overheard puzzling through the privacy issues that they’re hearing about these days. I’ve been asked how to avoid being tracked by creep stalkers now that it’s something people know to be conscious of - and helped them remove a tracking iOS profile after showing them how they wouldn’t have Settings > General > Profiles unless something creepy was up!

So I think we’ve reached a phase where performance is good enough on any hardware for people to start worrying about the big picture problems like privacy and tracking as well. Not to the exclusion of performance - but it’s clearly become more important to random non-tech folks.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#256

Sorry but I can't make the switch from chrome to ff because I don't buy ff's agenda any more than I do Google's. Neither is in the browser game to make money from great browser product. I want someone to be as dedicated to the product as id was to doom. I want to be able to use their browser for free for a year or three. If I still like you then I'll mary you. Then I'll pay a yearly fee for as long as I live. Edit: u…

I truly, truly do not understand what is going on here at HN.

2 weeks ago mozilla deactivated by super-incompetent accident all of their security add ons and required a completely opaque 'studies' tool to push an update.

With the security features deactivated tons of people who need to get work done or didn't understand what was going on used the web with all of the tracking features turned on, no doubt allowing tons of previously anonymous stored data on users to be de-anonymized. They don't have to be able to track everyone all of the time, you just have to really get a unique identifier on the browser tracks left in the databases. Many FF installs in linux distributions ceased to function at all.

These simple observations went hardly remarked on HN.

BoingBoing.net which has previously covered security issues well, somehow did not notice/report this event, which stands out in recent memory as one of the worst privacy catastrophes. An inquiry to Mr. Doctorow himself in regards to this, as well as why there is still a tracking F on the page in 2019, has gone unanswered.

Now, a month later, without any further discussion of this event, Firefox wants us to trust it to single-handedly defeat tracking with a single new catch-all feature.

On HN, top rated comments, rather than expressing skepticism and asking for details, are about a completely different browser, Safari.

Perhaps the best comment after the firefix addon-aggedon noted, FF does not have to have a studies feature, it does not have to push automatic updates, it does not have to have a single signing certificate for all of the add-ons which creates a single point of failure. This line of inquiry is devastating to the true nature of mozilla and the loyalties of the individuals behind this code.

I am posting this as a response to the lowest rated, yet in my opinion best comment in this topic, hoping that other people who notice the complete distractions and consensus cracking going on all over the place above the fold, will know where to look for someone saying something intelligent about the situation.

And so this: the problem is not the computers and the software, it is the nature of these institutions and the people in them. Semi-corporate half-charitable, expansive things like whatever Mozilla is lend themselves easily to the same sort of infiltration and takeover as normal, evil, corporations. Do you not think the fbi, cia, air force and mossad have been spending years getting their agents into the 'key positions' at mozilla? Does mozilla(or canonical) seem to you like an organization who could resist this sort of effort?

It is now obvious that Firefox is run by the enemies of open culture, and having only the choice between FF and Chrome, developed by an even less trustworthy institution, the internet as dreamed of by people who care about freedom and liberty of the individual is in serious trouble.

So the comment to which I am replying is the best, what shape of institution will create software to make the internet open and fair, and facilitate free speech without infiltration and subversion by spies and paid propagandists?

Why can all of the kings horses and all the kings men not create a functional browser that doesn't publicize reading habits and de-anonymize with extremely obfuscated input analysis, if not outright keylogging and password theft and intentional malware backdoors?

The browser has replaced the television for most people, if you haven't noticed, so this is important and how discusion platforms like hackernews deal with the discussion of this, reveals all we need to know about the institution and individuals behind hackernews.

Something is rotten here and it could not be more obvious to anyone still capable of independent thought.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#257
post #4

It is funny how my browser preferences has changed over last 5 years. 2014 me as a developer had Chrome as number 1 browser for both development and all rest. Firefox once a month just to check cross browser compatibility. And Safari was just installed without me using it. 2019 me uses Safari for everything except development. Excellent power consumption and UX. Firefox for development. And lastly Chrome for all web…

A lot of people got tricked into using Chrome.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#259

There's a huge political problem with protections that are on by default, and that's that opponents (advertisers) can easily argue that they are not the explicit will of the user and hence feel justified in doing whatever they can to bypass them. So this action increases the justification for browser fingerprinting and other dark tracking patterns. The same sort of thing undermined do-not-track headers. The instant t…

Bullshit. If I install privacy respecting software over non privacy respecting software then you have to assume I want to keep my privacy and don't want you tracking me.

I'm not tracking anyone. But the majority of Firefox users aren't choosing it for privacy reasons, so these privacy-preserving features are not a good signal that the user actually wants that privacy.

It was worse for do-not-track, as all the major browsers enabled it by default, making it not at all a signal of user preference.

Re: Firefox Now Available with Enhanced Tracking Protection by Default

#260

Multi-account containers is probably why I won't leave Firefox. I have different containers for Facebook and all its websites(instagram, whatsapp), google, amazon, Microsoft.

isn't that the same as the Person profiles in Chrome?

You can configure the addon to open specific websites in different containers, and it all works seamlessly.

Except of course, syncing container rule settings across Firefox sync devices.

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