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Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

I would really love to know if this phenomenon is limited to Britain/Canada/USA and the rest of the world wonders if we have collectively gone insane, or if each demographic region is experiencing similar paranoia.

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The fact this is going to spread worldwide is inevitable. I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US until they get this under control, this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint.

Ebolla spreads and is endemic in countries with very poor health systems and emergency response. It's a very virulent disease that can be stopped in it's tracks with standard disinfection and quarantine rules observed in any first world hospital.

There is absolutely no need for fear mongering and international travel restrictions, border checks and short quarantine for people coming from affected countries is suficient.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

It really sounds like you're reading too much news. News is fear mongering most of the time. Try taking a short break, you might be surprised how much better you feel!

Feeling better and taking care of yourself is, of course, really important.

However, measles outbreaks and hate-crimes aren't going to stop because one does not pay attention to the news.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

Honestly, as I've grown older, the more I've come to realize that "rationality" is such an energy intensive skill to cultivate and its payoff so long-term that humans have always been like this and that what we witness in modern times is just a clearer picture of that fact due to the scale of our populations and speed of information transfer.

Rationality is energy intensive and difficult to cultivate and is usually a socially learned or reinforced skill (similar to the fact that long-term research is usually only funded by public tax dollars and not corporations).

So I don't think now is any different, it's just at a different scale and behooves those of us who have had the privilege to cultivate the skill to not gloom and doom and to instead show the way up the ladder (if possible, not all people want to cultivate rationality).

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The fact this is going to spread worldwide is inevitable. I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US until they get this under control, this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint.

> I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US... ...this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint. I’m guessing you’re in the US? What about the rest of us?

This is a knife that cuts through political issues. If your society has become so political that it can't even imagine the thought of restricting travel to prevent global pandemic, well, if nothing else consider that after the pandemic rages through a country it is fairly likely that said country's survivors are going to take a very dim view of open borders for a long time. If nothing else, consider that this is the sort of thing that will destroy any willingness to have free travel in the world.

Similarly, no matter how free a country may be, there are rules about quarantines. You can be involuntarily subjected to one, and that's that. Your Constitutional rights or whatever your country may have are gone for the duration.

This goes below politics and below the blustery winds of the day all the way down to one of the foundational principles of society, which is, you won't have a forum to argue about how open borders should be in your society if you don't have a society at all because it got sick and died. Despite superficial similarities, this isn't about immigration debates or open borders or xenophobia or any of those hot-button issues. This is just, can you take basic, "lizard-hindbrain of society" actions to protect yourself or not?

I don't know that this particular outbreak is there or not, but it's only a matter of time before some outbreak of something is.

So the answer is, everyone should prevent people from potentially affected areas from coming in to the country for the duration of the outbreak. If you fail at this task, no amount of rhetoric, no amount of voting, and no amount of mocking your political opponents with various epithets about how phobic they are will do so much as save a single life from the resulting outbreak, because those are all category errors. Epidemics are not political matters. They are way further down the societal Maslow hierarchy than that.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

I would really love to know if this phenomenon is limited to Britain/Canada/USA and the rest of the world wonders if we have collectively gone insane, or if each demographic region is experiencing similar paranoia.

Stupid people live everywhere. It’s not a uniquely North American thing unfortunately.

They may face other issues and we just aren’t aware of it.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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It's just a question of time before it reaches the US. We were lucky with Dallas. It likely will escape the next time into the general population since many people without health insurance are unlikely seek medical care in time and when they do at the last minute, it will spread.

Unless you're talking about some unknown evolved version, in a first world country the risk of spreading to a large scale is pretty low. Ebola is not very contagious / risky for the first world as it stands now.

Could it be? Yes but you could argue for any number of diseases that "if it changed" would create devastating consequences.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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Could someone explain the graph used in the article where the y-axis is labeled as "cumulative" -- does this mean that each bin includes the sums from the previous bins? If so, then this will always be a non-decreasing graph. Ebola outbreaks are horrible, but it doesn't do any good to use stupid graphs like this to make it look worse than it is.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

> The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking

We're talking about Congo Kinshasa here, I mean, most of you here, who are not from the region have absolutely no idea about the state of that country. It's a mess.

Internet is the least of the locals worries, many of whom are on a daily survival mode because of the war, can't even read and are strongly influenced by all sort of superstitions.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. A lot of them living in remote places controlled by militias never had access to the internet at first place.

Re: Ebola cases pass 2k as crisis escalates

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The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…

Rationality never existed. Humans are fundamentally irrational actors, and the 'news' has always been about tribalism and fear-mongering. You are unknowingly falling victim to the age-old condition called "going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket-ism," where once you reach a certain age and level of experience with the world, you realize the world isn't how you want it to be and never will be; you become disillusioned; and you begin telling people that "this generation/the world is going to hell in a handbasket."

Every generation does this. It doesn't mean that actually, the world is a fine place. It just means that your rose-colored glasses are coming off.

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