The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
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#22The fact this is going to spread worldwide is inevitable. I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US until they get this under control, this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint.
There is absolutely no need for fear mongering and international travel restrictions, border checks and short quarantine for people coming from affected countries is suficient.
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#23The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
It really sounds like you're reading too much news. News is fear mongering most of the time. Try taking a short break, you might be surprised how much better you feel!
However, measles outbreaks and hate-crimes aren't going to stop because one does not pay attention to the news.
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#24The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
Rationality is energy intensive and difficult to cultivate and is usually a socially learned or reinforced skill (similar to the fact that long-term research is usually only funded by public tax dollars and not corporations).
So I don't think now is any different, it's just at a different scale and behooves those of us who have had the privilege to cultivate the skill to not gloom and doom and to instead show the way up the ladder (if possible, not all people want to cultivate rationality).
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#25The fact this is going to spread worldwide is inevitable. I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US until they get this under control, this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint.
> I honestly think we need to prevent people from this area of the world from coming to the US... ...this is simply unacceptable from a global standpoint. I’m guessing you’re in the US? What about the rest of us?
Similarly, no matter how free a country may be, there are rules about quarantines. You can be involuntarily subjected to one, and that's that. Your Constitutional rights or whatever your country may have are gone for the duration.
This goes below politics and below the blustery winds of the day all the way down to one of the foundational principles of society, which is, you won't have a forum to argue about how open borders should be in your society if you don't have a society at all because it got sick and died. Despite superficial similarities, this isn't about immigration debates or open borders or xenophobia or any of those hot-button issues. This is just, can you take basic, "lizard-hindbrain of society" actions to protect yourself or not?
I don't know that this particular outbreak is there or not, but it's only a matter of time before some outbreak of something is.
So the answer is, everyone should prevent people from potentially affected areas from coming in to the country for the duration of the outbreak. If you fail at this task, no amount of rhetoric, no amount of voting, and no amount of mocking your political opponents with various epithets about how phobic they are will do so much as save a single life from the resulting outbreak, because those are all category errors. Epidemics are not political matters. They are way further down the societal Maslow hierarchy than that.
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#26The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
I would really love to know if this phenomenon is limited to Britain/Canada/USA and the rest of the world wonders if we have collectively gone insane, or if each demographic region is experiencing similar paranoia.
They may face other issues and we just aren’t aware of it.
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#27It's just a question of time before it reaches the US. We were lucky with Dallas. It likely will escape the next time into the general population since many people without health insurance are unlikely seek medical care in time and when they do at the last minute, it will spread.
Could it be? Yes but you could argue for any number of diseases that "if it changed" would create devastating consequences.
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#29The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
We're talking about Congo Kinshasa here, I mean, most of you here, who are not from the region have absolutely no idea about the state of that country. It's a mess.
Internet is the least of the locals worries, many of whom are on a daily survival mode because of the war, can't even read and are strongly influenced by all sort of superstitions.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. A lot of them living in remote places controlled by militias never had access to the internet at first place.
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#30The internet was supposed to create an educated society with information at your fingertips, instead we got fake news and echo chambers spreading extreme thinking We have huge groups of actively ignorant people supporting the growth of climate change, anti-vaccination, and a host of other dangerous actions. Now those fighting Ebola outbreaks are getting attacked. I hope I’m wrong, but it looks like rationality is fas…
Every generation does this. It doesn't mean that actually, the world is a fine place. It just means that your rose-colored glasses are coming off.