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Cat Declawing Is Banned by New York State Lawmakers

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Re: Cat Declawing Is Banned by New York State Lawmakers

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Sure, just clip their claws using nail clippers. You can see how far down the claw the nail bed goes, so just avoid that and take the point off. Having said that, unless you get them accustomed to the process as a kitten, you may end up suffering more than if you hadn’t attempted it in the first place.

In case somebody without experience is reading this and wanting to try to cut the nails back, make sure you don't cut them back too far or you'll clip the vein inside and cause them to bleed and a lot of pain (imagine cutting your nail off halfway to the cuticle). If you cut the nails in a well lit room you can actually see the vein inside so you can avoid it. Alternatively you can also bring them to a groomer to hav…

It might be an old wives tale but a dab of corn starch will help clot the bleeding. Best though to not cut too deep.

Unrelated but I recently learned they use lasers for parrots to trim the claws while coterizing.

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There’s a lot of people here that I don’t think understand what declawing is.

Declawing isn’t just removing the claws. The equivalent when performed on a human would be to surgically remove the last section of your fingers, on all your fingers. You don’t/can’t just remove the claws: you are removing the entire bone.

It is absolutely cruel and unusual and honestly, you are a monster if you support this.

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Castration is a bit of a brute force for population control. No reason we couldn't also give cats vasectomies. For the other, are there actual numbers on what that means for cats? Feels like an appeal to emotion, as much as anything else. Outdoor cats, I would presume, are far more likely to die from a car than from anything they can protect themselves from with front claws. And again. I actually support the idea her…

> Castration is a bit of a brute force for population control. No reason we couldn't also give cats vasectomies. Male un-neutered cats, somewhat like some of their human un-neutered counterparts, are prone to aggressive, overly sexual, and territorial behaviour (including spraying). Likely fine on on an outdoor farm cat, but probably not what you want for a pet who lives in your house.

I have a feeling that suggesting castration to solve the problem of male homo sapiens spraying on walls and trees near pubs could be met with some opposition...

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I'm actually somewhat torn on this one. At face value, I fully agree. More, none of my cats have been declawed, as I just don't see the point. That said, I also don't buy the mutilation argument at face value. We literally castrated all of our male cats, and nobody bats an eye. Indeed, you seem to be frowned upon if you don't. Surely that is as mutilating to a male cat as losing a knuckle?

> I'm actually somewhat torn on this one. At face value, I fully agree. More, none of my cats have been declawed, as I just don't see the point. > That said, I also don't buy the mutilation argument at face value. We literally castrated all of our male cats, and nobody bats an eye. Indeed, you seem to be frowned upon if you don't. Surely that is as mutilating to a male cat as losing a knuckle? At least castration has…

Failing to declaw an outdoor cat lets the cat kill more birds; cats are an invasive species that kill billions of birds per year.

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> I'm actually somewhat torn on this one. At face value, I fully agree. More, none of my cats have been declawed, as I just don't see the point. > That said, I also don't buy the mutilation argument at face value. We literally castrated all of our male cats, and nobody bats an eye. Indeed, you seem to be frowned upon if you don't. Surely that is as mutilating to a male cat as losing a knuckle? At least castration has…

Failing to declaw an outdoor cat lets the cat kill more birds; cats are an invasive species that kill billions of birds per year.

The ecological impact of a few cats is tiny compared to that of a human. If you really care about the environment, don't have children and maybe kill yourself too

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Failing to declaw an outdoor cat lets the cat kill more birds; cats are an invasive species that kill billions of birds per year.

The ecological impact of a few cats is tiny compared to that of a human. If you really care about the environment, don't have children and maybe kill yourself too

I follow your example. Thanks for the wisdom.

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I guess I don’t understand why people feel so strongly about this issue. The cats I interacted with growing up were mostly declawed indoor cats and seemed happy and playful. It was less about furniture and more about not getting scratched (or having dogs get scratched).

If one is afraid of getting scratched, don't get a pet with claws. Fish are pretty harmless.

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It's not exactly a quick fix, but how many generations would it take to breed cats with substantially softer claws? This could be an interesting program perhaps for the government to undertake. I also wonder if crispr or embryo selection could be used if a GWAS could find genes that lead to softer claws. The selection techniques have been used to improve milk yields for cows, so it seems like making cats which don't…

NO cat needs to be declawed (no more than any human needs to have their fingertips cut off). Have a scratcher and trim off their nails, problem solved.

Even better, don't get a cat if scratching is a problem.

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They can still climb, scratch, defend themselves and generally move around just the same if they're castrated. They cannot do these things if they're declawed. Sure you could argue that we don't have a right to castrate them either, but it is not equivalently detrimental to their quality of life.

what about sexual frustration and statisfaction of seeing your kids? Does that not impose the psychological limits with equal sufferings if not compared to those physical limits.

Neutering usually reduces sexual urges, evidenced by reduction in mating behaviours like wandering, marking, territoriality, etc. It also extends lifespan.

Independent of whether cats are even capable of feeling regret about not having children of their own, I'd say that's not as bad as losing the equivalent of the tips of their fingers with built-in grappling-hook-switchblades.

Re: Cat Declawing Is Banned by New York State Lawmakers

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Failing to declaw an outdoor cat lets the cat kill more birds; cats are an invasive species that kill billions of birds per year.

The ecological impact of a few cats is tiny compared to that of a human. If you really care about the environment, don't have children and maybe kill yourself too

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