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Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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It's a devil's bargain: now we have to choose between walled gardens that offer some privacy and extract their revenue from lock-in, and more open systems that live off spying our data. Truth be told, the software development cost of these systems (Android and iOS) is not that huge, a reasonably good open source alternative could probably be created for less than a billion dollars, knowing how financially efficient a…

> the software development cost of these systems [...] is not that huge > probably be created for less than a billion dollars I don't think I've worked anywhere that's put more than $500M into a single software project. That is "huge" cost. (Except maybe Yahoo! but even then I'm not sure.)

> I don't think I've worked anywhere that's put more than $500M into a single software project. That is "huge" cost.

It's not what they put on the project in one go. It is the accumulated cost of developers, infrastructure and most importantly -- the experience and expertise that has been cultivated over decades. Do you really believe you can get a bunch of developers with limited experience to build something that is comparable to iOS/Android in a couple of years?

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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The biggest problem that I have is that it's privacy built on a closed source platform that works extremely hard to wall users in and create substantial vendor lock-in. As someone who has tried multiple times to dip their toes into the Apple world, I can tell you that it's highly hostile to users who try to pick and choose how much they want to be an Apple citizen. If you don't agree to sign up for Apple cloud on the…

Furthermore, they're based in a jurisdiction that's subject to warrantless blanket subpoenas with zero oversight. They may not be selling our data explicitly to the lowest bidder, but everything they gather is still accessible to whoever sits in the White House and whatever their minions think would be fun to dig up. What makes Apple different is that since their business model doesn't depend on gathering and selling…

> but everything they gather is still accessible to whoever sits in the White House

No it's not, stop spreading FUD.

> It's not as secure as some alternatives

Like what? Name one platform that offers all the services that Apple offers with the same level of security and privacy.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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post #314

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The biggest problem that I have is that it's privacy built on a closed source platform that works extremely hard to wall users in and create substantial vendor lock-in. As someone who has tried multiple times to dip their toes into the Apple world, I can tell you that it's highly hostile to users who try to pick and choose how much they want to be an Apple citizen. If you don't agree to sign up for Apple cloud on the…

I'm unclear about your iMessage comment, as Android or other platforms can send and receive messages just fine with users on iMessage. As a followup, how is Android, or chromium any better in that regard, given Googles plans to disallow proper adblocking as it interferes with their business model?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204270

There is a fix but Android users can have trouble being in iMessage groups.

As for how is adroid better... well. It's really not. Just like AMD isn't really better than Intel for privacy and security. For many parts of the hardware stack, if you want to be in control of your own privacy, you pretty much have to drop back to 2000s era technology.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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Except now you don't have control over your own device. I don't think they are orthogonal goals. Give me root on my iPhone and I'll switch for the privacy. Leaving gapps off an Android install is becoming crippling.

"control over your device" isn't a big concern for many in the way privacy is, though. Certainly, in the early days of smartphones I rooted my Android phones and iPhones but these days I just see my smartphone as a utility that I want to work well. There isn't really anything I want to do with my iPhone that Apple blocks me from doing.

That was my path as well. There's a very large segment of the tech community with the same story. Started with Android, why not? Fully customizable, had features earlier like 4G. Then realizing that they can be as stable and as much of a hassle as maintaining another desktop computer too (if you're doing it well/right). While I had multiple Android phones over the course of 5 years, it became a habit to restart them daily. The best one I had in that regard was a Samsung Galaxy S3, but it still wasn't up to scratch with the iPhone.

Going with Cyanogenmod (now LineageOS) helped a lot but did not resolve the need to restart often. Then my device which is primarily a phone that absolutely must work reliably and must be secure and updated, is at the whims of a rather lackadaisical volunteer effort.

Irregardless of arguing merits, the bottom line is that it's clear to me that Android's quality does not match what Apple is doing with iOS. Ultimately, I need calls and texts to guarantee to not be laggy and be reliable. It doesn't just need to be reliable, it also needs to feel reliable. I can't remember a single time an iOS app crashed on me. Android failed me in both of those regards in favor of being a mini-PC, with all the positive and negative connotations that includes.

I moved over with the iPhone5S, loved it, still usable as a backup phone unlike all of my old Android devices which are useless today and not even supported by LineageOS builds that aren't years old. I'm using an iPhone SE today, 3 years on with zero issues, still secure, private, fast and stable. It'll be getting iOS 13 in the fall, which looks better than ever.

If Apple releases an iPhone XE, I'll be buying it at launch at any stated price. I would hand Apple $1,000 for the rumored XE. Even if I only used it 3 years, which is on the minimum end of an iPhone's lifespan, per month cost is $28 at that price for 3 years. Considering the support, build quality and reliable utility, it's an absolute no brainer. A bargain. Anyone ever use the 'Apple Support' app? If you have an issue, they help you, really help you, for $0.0. I'm speaking from my own personal experience alone. I don't work for Apple, and only buy index funds. They're simply doing business right, and making everyone else look like fools. They've built their own value through reliable, hard work. Even if the iPhone costs $50 to manufacture.

Apple is one of the very few companies that from what I've seen, gave me the impression that they actually give a damn or two about their own products. I'm actually a .Net developer, a Thinkpad fan (and Macbook, because of the copious service locations), and if it's not clear yet.. love my iPhone.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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Are we so brainwashed that we barely can feel outrage at a title like this? How about privacy as a basic human right?

Until the government decides it’s a right, which they don’t seem to be doing (license plate scanners, facial recognition, etc) it’s not a right.

So this is the best we get.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem that I have is that it's privacy built on a closed source platform that works extremely hard to wall users in and create substantial vendor lock-in. As someone who has tried multiple times to dip their toes into the Apple world, I can tell you that it's highly hostile to users who try to pick and choose how much they want to be an Apple citizen. If you don't agree to sign up for Apple cloud on the…

I'm unclear about your iMessage comment, as Android or other platforms can send and receive messages just fine with users on iMessage. As a followup, how is Android, or chromium any better in that regard, given Googles plans to disallow proper adblocking as it interferes with their business model?

but then the whole family group message is green not blue.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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post #268

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It's not relevant to my point, which is just about what the regulator is likely to do: That's been answered. For what "misleading is", see Article 2 (b) and especially Article 3 of Directive 2006/114/EC.

In this verdict [0] of 18-02-2019 the Dutch Advertising Board came to the verdict Misleading " is de uiting misleidend en daardoor oneerlijk in de zin van artikel 7 NRC. ". Are you stating that the Misleading verdict can not been given in EU countries in B2C advertisements? [0] https://www.reclamecode.nl/uitspraken/resultaten/huishouden-...

> Are you stating that the Misleading verdict can not [be] given in EU countries in B2C advertisements?

No.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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post #314
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Lots of negativity/skepticism here which is reasonable I would say given tech companies' abuse of our trust. I for one, am happy that Apple can afford to offer privacy as one of its strong suites. Whether they can do it because of their business model or not is moot IMO. Everyone is here to make money, I would rather have someone who doesn't have to sell every aspect of my life to do it.

The biggest problem that I have is that it's privacy built on a closed source platform that works extremely hard to wall users in and create substantial vendor lock-in. As someone who has tried multiple times to dip their toes into the Apple world, I can tell you that it's highly hostile to users who try to pick and choose how much they want to be an Apple citizen. If you don't agree to sign up for Apple cloud on the…

There is some lock-in, but that's because the system integration works so well (Mac, iPhone, iPad, Watch, etc.) that one is loath to switch, not because they actively lock up your data.

Contacts, Calendar, Photos, documents all allow exports to commonly understood formats (and iTunes with some caveats).

I would not currently consider alternative OSes because they'd not work as seamlessly for me, but if Apple became as bad as you envision, I'd be out in short order with basically all my data.

Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company

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Smartphone market share wouldn't be the defining factor in whether you could jumpstart a social network, given there are billions of active smartphones. The actual size - not relative size - of your base would define that. The only way relative would matter is if they needed to be larger than eg Android to do it, for some reason (they don't). They have ~1.4 billion active devices world-wide (900+ million active iPhon…

The whole idea of a social network is being able to connect with anyone not just 20% of the market.

The whole idea of a social network is to connect with your friends. Young people, the most valuable demographic, overwhelmingly use iPhone in both the UK/US. Snapchat/Instagram is a successful social network just controlling this market.
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