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Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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I'm not sure WholeFoods and Trader Joes are good representations of grocery stores nationwide. Both are classified as "Specialty and natural food stores" and have drastically fewer stores than the supermarket chains.

Let me know when CVS beats Walmart in grocery sales.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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If you can't afford transportation you're limited to what you can walk to. In the area I live you cannot bring more than one bag with you on public transportation and it takes almost an hour to get across town on the bus. It would be cheaper to buy marked up food from a gas station or drugstore than pay for a taxi ride or waste half a day riding the bus. Edit: essentially, a lot of the time it is expensive to be poor…

Anecdata: I have money and property and plentiful transportation (three vehicles for the two of us). Live miles from town. I drive to one or more grocery stores infrequently to get what I want. Buy quality food and freeze/store it in my large house. Garden provides some more. Waste is composted and feeds the gardens. Meals cost me a buck or two to prepare from my plentiful stock. All because I can afford to. Food is…

You don't have to be wealthy to do that, but you do have to have the storage space and to shift your mindset in a more long-term direction. It's also a lot of work. I grew up relatively poor, but in a rural area, so we had enough land to put in a garden, and we slaved away all summer and fall picking and processing food that got stacked up in the basement cold-cellar and in the freezer. We also bought meat in bulk, either a half or a whole beef from a local farmer, so you had to plan for that lump sum expense and, again, have the freezer space ready to take hundreds of pounds of meat when it went to the slaughter house. We'd also try to shoot a deer or two each year to supplement that, and catch a mess of trout that we'd can up. Then there were the trips to the pick-your-own berry fields, where you'd pick a hundred pounds of strawberries, and then have to freeze them or turn them into jam, and the trips to the orchards where you could pick grain sacks full of the dropped apples for a dollar apiece; then you had to go home and sort out the bad ones. My aunt had a Sam's Club membership, so a couple times a year we'd go with her and load up on staples - again, you've got to save up for it, and then you have to have the storage.

You can do that kind of thing when you are relatively settled and have roots and connections in a community, and the know-how to do all that home-making. We didn't have any money, but we were rich in a lot of other ways. If you are isolated and precarious, living reactively day-to-day, it makes something that is already hard nigh on impossible.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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Have the larger American grocery stores opened small convenience stores? This has happened in several European countries. For example, in the UK Tesco has opened many "Tesco Express" shops in towns and cities. They are fairly small, but they can take advantage of Tesco's huge distribution system to stock a wide range of products, including fresh food. Prices are the same as the large shops, but the 20% of products th…

Tesco Express prices are higher than in the larger stores.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can't afford transportation you're limited to what you can walk to. In the area I live you cannot bring more than one bag with you on public transportation and it takes almost an hour to get across town on the bus. It would be cheaper to buy marked up food from a gas station or drugstore than pay for a taxi ride or waste half a day riding the bus. Edit: essentially, a lot of the time it is expensive to be poor…

Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t get a bus ticket. All it means is you are deliberate in your shopping and planning. You plan your trip to take advantage of transfer tickets and such. Sometimes you walk a mile or two or you bike or you bum a ride from someone. Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t plan and are helpless. Sure it’s not ideal and I prefer being able to shop ad hoc at my leisure, no doubt. But when I had to…

> Being poor doesn’t mean you can’t

it kinda does though.

The effects of financial stress on your mental wellbeing are pretty well documented and can manifest in ways such as inability to focus/concentrate, chronic fatigue, spotty memory from stress etc.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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>> A representative of the company, which launched an initiative in 2014 to become the first pharmacy to quit selling cigarettes, indicated via email that they see food as the next frontier.

Wow. What leadership. It only took a couple generations for a place that sells medicine to stop selling cigarettes. It should be only a quick thirty or forty years before they stop selling the deep fried salt cakes. Are they still selling homeopathic "remedies"?

There are lots of pharmacies in this world. I seriously doubt CVS was the first to do anything. Somewhere out there, probably in Utah, there had to be a pharmacy that didn't sell cigarettes prior to 2014.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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Assuming this is true: If you visit WF, your entire shopping needs won’t be met by the available 365-branded foods, which means you’ll either have to shop at multiple stores (extremely difficult if you are poor) or buy the remaining products at severely marked up prices, negating any savings the 365-brands products might have offered. In particular, produce, meats and other fresh products are absurdly marked up in WF…

> extremely difficult if you’re poor I mean, I live in an area where there’s a Whole Foods within two blocks’ walking distance of two other grocery stores (one mid-market, one down-market.) I think this isn’t actually that uncommon; people don’t see Whole Foods as actually satisfying the demand for “a grocery store” in an area (as it doesn’t carry many of the things people expect a larger grocery store to carry—it ma…

> but its grocery section is rather lacking

What do you regard as the grocery section?

I go to the grocery store weekly and all I buy, pretty much, are bread, dairy, and produce.

Do you mean stuff like breakfast cereal and peanut butter?

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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CVS is has a high/low pricing scheme, so most of the items you see aren't being purchased at full price and people really only buy them on sale. You have to play their games with stacking ECB, coupons and sales though, so it's work.

I had to stop buying at CVS because of this, it was driving me crazy. I would pick up some over the counter medication and it'd ring up for an extra 5 or 10 bucks. Just walked out one day and now I get my medications at walmart or my closer neighborhood pharmacy.

Oh yeah they put stuff like that stuff on BOGO all the time, which just shows how much they're marking up the normal price if they can give you a free one and still make money.

Re: Fears grow over 'food swamps' as drugstores outsell major grocers

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This is a matter of scale. The more interesting metric would be a per-store figure, where TJ and WF outsell CVS by a factor of 5–7x.[1] I'm surprised that it's not higher. > The eyebrow-raising figure probably comes down to an issue of scale – last year CVS and Walgreens each had close to 10,000 stores in the US, while Trader Joe’s and Whole Foods each had fewer than 500 locations. [1] https://docs.google.com/spreads…

I'm not sure. Each individual TJ's and especially WF store is much larger than the grocery section of an individual CVS. Even the smallest TJ's I've been in (Back Bay) is larger than the largest CVS grocery section I've been in (3 aisles?). I would expect the per-store figure to be obviously in TJ's/WF's favor. I feel like the most appropriate metric would control for total population served (to discount both the fac…

Sorry, to clarify, I’m surprised my per-store calculation isn’t higher for WF/TJ. As you point out, the food aisles at CVS are minimal versus an entire store.
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