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Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by mcv » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

acheron wrote: post #100

mcv wrote: post #56

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Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Totally opposite here. Running is much better than biking, and also I much prefer excising at home to a gym. Point is: it's a personal preference. Glad you enjoy biking and going to the gym, but both of those sound terrible to me.

I thought I'd hate going to the gym. In fact, I still often don't want to go. But I go anyway, because I remember that afterwards I'm always happy that I went, and I'm really starting to notice the results. Posture in particular; my core muscles are getting stronger leading to much better posture than anything else in my computer-bound existence has ever managed.

I don't really bike for exercise; I do it just to get around, and I hate going slow.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by TeMPOraL » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:51 PM UTC

RichardHeart wrote: post #36

In this thread I've seen the overpopulation argument framed as theft. Here are all the others I've found. Summary of pro death arguments: Fairness Only rich people will get it. (No tech has ever done this.) Better to give money to the poor than science. (family, city, state, nation, has proven local investment beats foreign.) Bad for society Dead people make more room for new, other people. (consider going first.) Ru…

Favoriting and bookmarking this for future reference. Thanks for making a comprehensive list.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by turd_ferguson33 » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:52 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #23

hannob wrote: post #9

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Or get a gym membership, actually use it and eat less crap. This may only give you a few years, but chances that it'll actually work are much higher.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

Going to the gym is uncomfortable for you. For others it is a good time. Don't extrapolate to everyone because you are anti-social.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by mcv » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:53 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #97

mcv wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Going to the gym makes me lose 30 minutes at least for the road. You also end up exercising near other sweaty dudes, staying in line for the squat rack or whatever, then showering in conditions that are rarely ideal. Whenever I go to the gym it takes at least an hour to go through my training, plus 30 minutes to get there and back. At home I can do my strength training in 15 minutes. I will then bike to and from work…

My gym is just around the corner; a minute by bike or maybe a few minutes walk. In crossfit, you do the workout together and give high-fives afterward, which helps a lot with motivation. About half the participants are women, so not just dudes. I shower at home, but that's easy for me because it's just around the corner.

I admit the distance to the gym and the fact that it's crossfit and not something solitary, makes a big difference. If I had to go to the other side of the city, I wouldn't go so much.

A couple of years ago, I did HEMA, which was either on the other side of the city, or in another town altogether. Very inconvenient, but it was fun to do. Once I got kids, the inconvenience eventually won, and now I really prefer my sport closer to home.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by babuskov » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:57 PM UTC

I found Joe Rogan iterview with David Sinclair really interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOTS0HS7aq4

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by paideic » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

Somewhat off-topic, but I always thought the most prominent real-life reenactment of The Fox and the Grapes was all of the media and thinkpieces that people have written about how living for an extended period of time would be just _awful_. You wouldn't find many people who think that 40 years would be an acceptable lifespan, and most people would probably like to live to 100 if they got there in good health, but as soon as the idea of living potential centuries is floated, it's all "it would drive you crazy with boredom!" It seems like a good-sized contingent of people believe that extending the human lifespan wouldn't be impossible or immoral so much as it would be _undesirable_. Boy, it sure is convenient that our "natural" longevity (whatever that means) is right at the limits of what humans can reasonably enjoy, huh?

I could understand the impulse people would have to not extend their lives if that's truly what they wanted, but the almost _cultural_ belief that seeking immortality is Bad and Wrong, something only pursued by cartoon villains and insane emperors seems like a collective agreement among people to throw their hands up and go "well, fine! I don't even _want_ to live longer, who'd like that?"

All of this, of course, doesn't touch on the moral, economic, environmental, etc. problems that crop up with greatly extended longevity, for which there are a number of altogether more palatable arguments that would need to be engaged with more fully. Still, it's an odd piece of ideology that makes people feel like they don't need to deploy any of these in the conversation - why would they, when they _totally_ don't even want to live much longer than 100 anyways?

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by ohaideredevs » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #23

hannob wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or get a gym membership, actually use it and eat less crap. This may only give you a few years, but chances that it'll actually work are much higher.

You don’t need a gym membership. For cardio you can go to any park for running or biking. It’s way more fun. For strength training you can do bodyweight strength training at home with no equipment required (calisthenics). Most people fall into the trap of paying for a gym membership, but then they never use it, because let’s face it, going to the gym wastes time and is uncomfortable. If you train at home by using the…

Don't post if you don't know what you are talking about. Bodyweight exercise is fine and great - yes, I have read Building the Gymnastics Body, Convict Conditioning, and did gymnastics and martial arts, so I have a vague notion of what it is. Except that it sucks for progressive overload. Progressive overload is VERY difficult with bodyweight training. If you aren't doing deadlifts, you are shortchanging yourself. Also, if you get stuck on pullups, guess what helps? Adding weight. Finally, it can be a time saving to not clean up everything and maintain your own workout space.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by ohaideredevs » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 2:00 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #97

mcv wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biking is fun, but running? It's the most boring activity I've ever tried. A gym membership you don't use is useless of course, but having set appointments for sport, getting called on it when you don't show, and getting encouraged when you do, is far easier than trying to work up the self-discipline to do it at home. When you don't go to the gym on your own, what makes you think you'll do your exercises at home? I s…

Going to the gym makes me lose 30 minutes at least for the road. You also end up exercising near other sweaty dudes, staying in line for the squat rack or whatever, then showering in conditions that are rarely ideal. Whenever I go to the gym it takes at least an hour to go through my training, plus 30 minutes to get there and back. At home I can do my strength training in 15 minutes. I will then bike to and from work…

My gym is 3 minutes away, literally. I can run there in 10 if I want to warm up.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by Falling3 » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

agent008t wrote: post #66

SeanDav wrote: post #48

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Can't decide if this is sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek or serious. If serious - would love to see source(s) for that statistic....

Serious. Don't have the statistics, but look up "gomad" for "gallon of full fat milk a day" - it is a thing for a reason.

Sure it's a thing for a reason... the reason is guys who are into body lifting that was an easy source of calories and protein. It has nothing to do with your narrative.

Re: With greater longevity, the quest to avoid infirmities of aging is more urgent

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Post by nudpiedo » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 2:05 PM UTC

Beltiras wrote: post #61

nudpiedo wrote: post #15

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I can doubt of the engineering approach he advocates, because I am aware that people like me is completely an outsider in this branch of science and I cannot differentiate a charlatan from an actual scientist. You could fool a person ignorant enough in a speciality with statements such as: - To fly we just need a way to defeat gravity. - To resurrect a body we just need to insufflate the soul back to the body. - To m…

Your list lacks detail where AdG includes very specific things to solve.

First of all, being specific doesn't mean irrefutable, correct or that it makes actual sense. My statements only seem unspecific because they are ridiculous for an educated person in our current century (although many educated people from our century felt for the last one.)

I don't want to turn that example in an exaggerated dichotomy, but my point is that for someone who lacks skill or knowledge on a deeply complex topic, most of the time by using the specific jargon the person will sounds specific, professional, serious,... they will automatically sound like an expert or authority in the subject.

In other words, I don't think most of people here in this forum, and for sure not myself, is qualified enough to say whether the first sentence is more specific or realizable than the second one:

- We need to find a way to fix mutations in mitochondria by looking at the telanoma and several teams of scientists are looking at that.

- To resurrect a body we just need to insufflate the soul back to the body and several teams of sorcerers are looking at that.

And even if my examples are not good enough, this whole thing could be the "detox" fashion that happened a years ago, just on a different level/topic for a different target audience who needs more complicated words in order to be tricked.