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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by icedchai »

wtallis wrote: post #593
icedchai wrote: post #550

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You are right. It is sufficient for a large number of users. However, the Mac Pro is a high end workstation used by professionals, targeted for applications like high resolution video editing that require insane amounts of storage. Relatively speaking, storage is cheap. A high performance, 1 TB NVME drive can be had for under $350. This should be the base configuration on a high end workstation...

What benefit does a 1TB SSD have over 256GB for a video workstation that needs to connect to a 100+ TB array for the real work? If your video editing task can get by with even the 4TB maximum build-to-order option, then you're not in the target market.

I don't buy it. Lots of "professionals" edit hour long 4K video that would easily fit in under a TB. Then they archive that work.

Even if this is not the case, applications alone are getting larger all the time. 256G is ridiculous as a base config.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by asveikau »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #634
asveikau wrote: post #592

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My experience in personal use is that data loss with microSD is extremely common, much worse than, say, magnetic disks (and certainly much worse than SSD).

Use industrial cards.

I used think that was the problem too. But then I had this issue with cards that weren't cheap.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by justinsaccount »

pryce wrote: post #591
justinsaccount wrote: post #80

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But is it appropriate here? from that wikipedia page: > The simplest form of space frame is a horizontal slab of interlocking square pyramids and tetrahedra built from aluminium or tubular steel struts Do you see anything that looks like that?

Sure. Looking at each of the external sphere holes, each seems to be associated with a triangle of connected internal sphere holes. The central point of each sphere is therefore associated with the central points of three others in an adjacent plane. It is easily possible to conceptualise the 'grate' of this mac-pro as a set of interlocking tetrahedra of origins of the spherical spaces, instead of interlocking tetrah…

The holes are part of the removable external housing, not the frame.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by deckar01 »

threeseed wrote: post #187
deckar01 wrote: post #164

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This vent is uncharacteristically ugly for an Apple product. I have a hard time believing that this sphere pattern is really optimal for performance. Maybe optimal for minimizing the number of machine operations required to produce it... Those holes are just comically large.

Of course they are large. It's designed to let air in.

Also dust, marshmallows, and fingers.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by swozey »

This is the ugliest computer I have ever seen. The monitor as well. What in the world. It's like someone discovered Trypophobia and wants to terrify people. I can't believe I'm the only person to comment on that here.

I loved the original "cheese grater" (which doesn't even seem deserving of that title now).

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by atonse »

thirdsun wrote: post #619
atonse wrote: post #283

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This likely is a great machine for creative pros. But as a developer, I wanted a desktop class CPU and just a separate monitor (tired of hearing my laptop fans all the time, and it not being expandable), so I can upgrade them independently. So while developers are pros, we won't appreciate things like XDR because we don't need them, unlike movie studios and photographers. So a $5k monitor is overpriced for editing co…

> But as a developer, I wanted a desktop class CPU and just a separate monitor (tired of hearing my laptop fans all the time, and it not being expandable), so I can upgrade them independently. What's wrong with the Mac Mini? Sure, there's no way to upgrade the CPU, but considering the resale value of Apple hardware replacing the whole machine every few years is actually a worthwhile upgrade strategy. Of course the sa…

I wish macOS wasn't as important, but honestly it's the most important. I don't want to switch back to Windows or Linux at this point since I'm too invested in the Apple ecosystem (and it's certainly the most privacy conscious option right now).

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by atonse »

rock_artist wrote: post #569
nvahalik wrote: post #435

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I’m right here with you. Just built a Win10 machine because of thermal issues. I don’t even mind having a laptop but is it too much to ask to pay iMac prices for mid grade hardware??

The thing is, it doesn't need to be Win10 machine. Even if you're developing for Apple. If you need a "Mac Dev" you can setup up any Intel based machine with macOS. It's not "plug-n-play" but it's not that far from getting Linux running with drivers and performance you'd expect it to.

Yeah but if it's your primary machine, you don't want to live under the spectre of being one bad update away from hosing a day or two of productivity.

I already have that happening with node modules, don't need an additional thing :)

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by swah »

ericd wrote: post #173
chaostheory wrote: post #49

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MacOS is what keeps me on Apple for now, but this box is not the answer everyone is looking for. People just want an affordable desktop that you can easily expand over time. At $6000 just for the starting model, in my head I'm already planning to move back to Windows. The only major thing I might miss is iCloud. The cheese grater lineup is still the best incarnation of the Mac Pro overall. People don't want to be for…

I think the answer is to expand externally. The solution I settled on was a Mac Mini to serve as my interface and run desktop applications, and a big hefty expandable Threadripper box running Linux that I SSH into to do all heavy lifting (and that I can put away in a closet). A NAS holds most files. I've been really happy with the Mac Mini for this role, and the Threadripper box provides more power than I could reaso…

I could never really use a remote system as well as a local one - the various kinds of file syncing or mounting (samba, SSHfs, expandrive) have their problems or only work 99% of the time.

Maybe when remote VSCode improves I'll try that.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by justinclift »

liquidify wrote: post #433
JBorrow wrote: post #317

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Not to come out over-defensive, but your base configuration (I guess?) doesn't include a GPU, I bet your caches are significantly smaller, and also no ECC ram. I also bet your storage is considerably slower.

ECC ram can actually be a negative in certain use cases. Recording studios don't like the extra latency the ECC adds for MIDI for example.

Sources?
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