I am clearly in the minority here but I think "Sign in with Apple" is terrible for consumers. You keep your email address hidden from service providers, sure, but you are also placing your online identity entirely in the hands of Apple. If you get on the wrong side of Apple's algorithms, there is zero recourse. At least in the case of Facebook and others the third party still has your email address so you can always start using that to identify yourself.
Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
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Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#192Are we so brainwashed that we barely can feel outrage at a title like this? How about privacy as a basic human right?
why was this downvoted? I think that privacy, to a point, should be a basic human right as well.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thriving may be a bit strong - These are small potatoes compared to apple, sure, but these are tech obsessed people buying privacy orientated products. Librem 5 raised over $2.1 million https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/10/purism-librem-5-crowdfun... The VPN market is measured in the billions. https://www.statista.com/statistics/542817/worldwide-virtual... People spend money in this area. The privacy orientated crowd…
There are enough sponsored videos on YouTube tech channels by vpn providers that I think it’s safe to concede individuals are paying for those services. The other products and services mentioned don’t seem to be prospering the same way.
There were also ads for Pets.com....
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's true, there's quite a thriving privacy based market for the tech obsessed. take librem one and purism's products, the VPN market, the pinephone, proton mail, or lavabit as examples. https://puri.sm/ https://lavabit.com/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://protonmail.com/ But yes, these comments are likely just noise.
Are they profitable? Because they exist don’t mean they are “thriving”.
> Are they profitable?
Yes. I hate this attitude that its not enough to be profitable you have to make literally all the money or your business is a failure.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#195Lots of negativity/skepticism here which is reasonable I would say given tech companies' abuse of our trust. I for one, am happy that Apple can afford to offer privacy as one of its strong suites. Whether they can do it because of their business model or not is moot IMO. Everyone is here to make money, I would rather have someone who doesn't have to sell every aspect of my life to do it.
You know when I'll believe it? When the un-screw up their app store which vastly incentivizes the development of free-to-use ad-driven apps that prey on user tracking data over premium alternatives. Ad-based revenue has a higher value proposition to developers because it dodges the inane anachronistic 30% tax. "Privacy" first is an utter illusion when the majority of apps approved in this closed ecosystem that ostens…
Apple isn't doing anything to drive development of "free-to-use ad-driven apps that prey on user tracking data...", that would be people being unwilling to pay more than 99 cents for anything and believing subscriptions are a rip off.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#196I am clearly in the minority here but I think "Sign in with Apple" is terrible for consumers. You keep your email address hidden from service providers, sure, but you are also placing your online identity entirely in the hands of Apple. If you get on the wrong side of Apple's algorithms, there is zero recourse. At least in the case of Facebook and others the third party still has your email address so you can always…
> If you get on the wrong side of Apple's algorithms, there is zero recourse.
I don't follow what you're implying.
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They have failed at every attempt at social media.
Because there was never a demand for a new social network. Apple is now big enough that anything they build becomes trendy and something people will jump into.
No. Failed because they refused to open up user info. Remember Ping and iAds. Ask the bitter people running those project what they think. To get any user's info you have to go through chains of managers and then a sign off from a board member.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trying to sell something to privacy obsessed tech segment is a futile effort. They are never happy and don’t want to pay for anything anyway. But that is not their target market anyway. It is the general public and these comments are just noise.
Last time I checked, 25% of the internet used a VPN at least once a month. We can argue (somebody here will) as to the actual level of privacy conferred, but the segment is far from miniscule: https://thebestvpn.com/vpn-usage-statistics/
I’m not sure if asking TheBestVPN.com how many people use VPNs is going to get you a reliable answer.
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#199Apple was the first company to take accessibility seriously. And that is definitely a market where it likely didn't make a lot of revenue, if any at all.
Just consider this, if you think every niche market is irrelevant.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are they profitable? Because they exist don’t mean they are “thriving”.
> Are they profitable? Yes. I hate this attitude that its not enough to be profitable you have to make literally all the money or your business is a failure.
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