Earlier quoted context omitted.
iCloud leaks?
That was a hack, not them selling your info for the highest bidder.
And also they didn't hack iCloud, they hacked the accounts of those users.
Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
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Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#82Still they were/are part of PRISM so keep in mind that the privacy offered depends by various U.S agencies.
Yes - they were part of it - and they are saying "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone."... so they are effectively lying... It would be better not to say anything...
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#83Are we so brainwashed that we barely can feel outrage at a title like this? How about privacy as a basic human right?
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#84Apple's strategy is simple. They want to retain control over their customers; at the same time, force the developers into relying entirely on Apple as a middle man so that they can't cut Apple out of any transactions. This way, Apple gets their cut and user's get some level of privacy. That they can get away with this arm-twisting as "privacy" is to give credit to their brand positioning.
> That they can get away with this arm-twisting as "privacy" is to give credit to their brand positioning. I think most EU Advertising Control Boards would verdict that Apple's privacy claims are misleading and therefore against the applicable Advertising Law.
> I think most EU Advertising Control Boards would verdict that Apple's privacy claims are misleading and therefore against the applicable Advertising Law.
I think not. From the horses mouth[1]:
Since the directive on unfair commercial practices (2005/29/EC) is in place, the misleading and comparative advertising directive has been applied only to business-to-business (B2B) relations concerning misleading advertising.
[1]: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/consumers/unfair-com...
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#85I don't think there's any need to pretend Apple is marketing this simply as a virtuous act. They have competitive advantages in some areas, and not in others. They are taking advantage of such an advantage.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#86Lots of negativity/skepticism here which is reasonable I would say given tech companies' abuse of our trust. I for one, am happy that Apple can afford to offer privacy as one of its strong suites. Whether they can do it because of their business model or not is moot IMO. Everyone is here to make money, I would rather have someone who doesn't have to sell every aspect of my life to do it.
You know when I'll believe it? When the un-screw up their app store which vastly incentivizes the development of free-to-use ad-driven apps that prey on user tracking data over premium alternatives. Ad-based revenue has a higher value proposition to developers because it dodges the inane anachronistic 30% tax. "Privacy" first is an utter illusion when the majority of apps approved in this closed ecosystem that ostensibly supports privacy does just the opposite.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the software development cost of these systems [...] is not that huge > probably be created for less than a billion dollars I don't think I've worked anywhere that's put more than $500M into a single software project. That is "huge" cost. (Except maybe Yahoo! but even then I'm not sure.)
They're sunk costs now though. How much more needs to be added to Mobile OSes? Can't they just innovate functionality though installed apps?
GP was, I believe, talking about a whole new mobile OS, built from the ground up for privacy and an open ecosystem rather than just innovating on the existing platforms.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#88My cynical side read this as
cheap/free = google/android who own your data in return for their services
vs expensive = Apple who are selling you some degree of perceived privacy baked into the operating systems of their primarily hardware offerings, which you pay more for.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was a hack, not them selling your info for the highest bidder.
And also they didn't hack iCloud, they hacked the accounts of those users.
Which most likely means someone downloaded a leaked database of another website and logged in to icloud because everyone reuses passwords.
Re: Apple is now a privacy-as-a-service company
#90Lots of negativity/skepticism here which is reasonable I would say given tech companies' abuse of our trust. I for one, am happy that Apple can afford to offer privacy as one of its strong suites. Whether they can do it because of their business model or not is moot IMO. Everyone is here to make money, I would rather have someone who doesn't have to sell every aspect of my life to do it.
Whether it's because of their business model is an important question though, because it may tell us if we this has a good chance of being genuine and whether we can expect this to last. If it's in their financial interest to protect users' privacy, then I'm much more inclined to believe that they are actually trying to do that. If they right now appear to care about privacy, but it's for some other reason, I'd expec…
Am I the only person we thinks Apple might be setting itself up to take a shot at a private, secure, ad-free, paid for social media play?
I mean there are a growing number of people leaving Facebook (ok mostly for Instagram and WhatsApp) who would be willing to pay a few dollars a month to have an advert free experience in a private social media network.