Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators • Hacker News Board

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by bscphil » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 4:56 AM UTC

gibolt wrote: post #85

maxton wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube used to do that, until at some point they added the “bell” feature and converted all subscriptions to subscriptions-without-a-bell which means only some videos get put in your feed. Of course, if you go the extra step to click the bell icon you get the notifications like usual.

Even the bell is no longer reliable.

Could you give me an example of a video that's left out of your subscriptions feed: https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions

A quick check shows that every video posted by one of my subscribed channels (in the last week) appears in that feed. If that's not happening it sounds like some kind of bug.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by drdeca » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:00 AM UTC

drdrey wrote: post #86

ihuman wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YouTube giving up on the old definition of "subscribe" and re-ordering peoples feeds to improve engagement What do you mean by this? When I subscribe to someone, they show up on my subscription feed page. Hasn't it always been like this?

Subscribing is not a guarantee that you'll be presented with every new piece of content of a creator, unless you also hit the bell icon

I am unsure if there is something misleading there.

I don’t want any push notifications, ever. I do want my subscriptions list to include exactly the things I subscribed to in reverse chronological order.

What does the bell do?

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by ehsankia » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:22 AM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #65

ehsankia wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ is going to completely rule that market.

Not necessarily. Kids like short home made videos as much as Disney quality films.

Is there any service that sells homemade kid videos? I was specifically talking about paid quality content. Disney+ will not only have Disney and Pixar films, but decades of Disney channel content too. That, along with Youtube Kids + whitelist, and you should be pretty set.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by paxys » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 5:29 AM UTC

"Alternative to YouTube" where you can't upload videos?

It's funny to see a bunch of content creators who got to where they are only because of YouTube and its algorithms now decrying all of that as evil. And to fight that they are creating a closed community where new contributors will be carefully selected by them, not the users.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by zoeysaurusrex » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 6:21 AM UTC

Fomite wrote: post #80

stcredzero wrote: post #8

Here's the impression I'm getting looking at that page: It's like YouTube Originals. Curated, safe, sanitized. As an adult, this is like the last thing I'd want in a YouTube-like site, for my viewing. I don't feel like I'm likely to find something unusual or unexpected. On the other hand, if I was a parent looking to distract my very young kids, curated, safe, sanitized, and ad-free is exactly what I'd want. EDIT: Is…

I'd just like a venue where being mildly interested in games doesn't have an algorithm go "If you liked that, you'll love this fascist rant!"

I too wish for this. As a trans person I learn a lot from videos. They unceasingly think I want to want cringe compilations that bash trans people.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by kkarakk » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 7:50 AM UTC

ALittleLight wrote: post #47

dvduval wrote: post #19

How could they possibly challenge a Monopoly like YouTube?

My perception is YouTube has a hostility toward independent creators, and this niche could be better served. 1. Copyright system is easy to abuse and harshly punishes people perceived as infringing. 2. Videos demonetized for unpredictable reasons. 3. Trending page is basically off limits to YouTubers in favor of corporate media. E.g. Logan Paul requires 11 million views to hit the trending page whereas ESPN requires…

you do realize logan paul is ALSO a corporate creator right? there is a whole consortium of people that fund his antics in exchange for him shilling their stuff. It was an artificially created brand right from the beginning...Dude was a disney actor,why do you think his channel is indie in any way?

your point stands but your choice of example is strange.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by kkarakk » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 7:54 AM UTC

vorpalhex wrote: post #52

I was checking their ToS to see if they'd allow creators demonetized by youtube and found this clause: > Refusal to vaccinate your children may result in the termination of your service and, probably, your children. While I agree refusal to vaccinate your children is dumb, they're starting off on the wrong foot by already setting a very awkward line in the sand. What about hawking fake cures for cancer like vinegar?…

>a very awkward line in the sand

sounds more like a line made in concrete - anti vaxx = booted off platform

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by mintplant » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 7:57 AM UTC

smaddock wrote: post #29

cartman82 wrote: post #15

> No algorithm They are conflating what they care about vs. what the audience cares about.

This seems be directed at creators interested in their platform, which would be their audience at this stage. The "algorithm" on YouTube can decide whether or not a video will be discovered. Guaranteeing that subscribers will see their recent content could be a good selling point.

> This seems be directed at creators interested in their platform, which would be their audience at this stage.

I rather doubt it. There's no information presented about how to sign up as a creator, and from statements elsewhere, they don't seem all that interested in bringing in new talent from outside their circle. (They believe they're already "the smartest, most creative people online" and "highly selective about who we work with" [0].)

Meanwhile, the niche that the creators represented here target is likely already conscious of YouTube's "algorithm" as an issue, thanks to countless video-essays on the topic authored by those creators over the years.

[0] https://standard.tv/pages/about

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by vukmir » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 8:08 AM UTC

jasode wrote: post #14

>No algorithm. A personal observation... On that Nebula site, I see creators like CGP Grey, Wendover Productions, Real Engineering, etc. I learned about their existence from Youtube's algorithmic suggestions . Probably 99% of any channel I watch regularly on Youtube came from algorithms instead of url referrals of HN or reddit. Yes, algorithms have a dark side such as the ElsaGate situation. All I can say is that the…

That's my experience as well.

Most of the content that I watch and the content creators that I'm subscribed to comes from the recommendations. As far as I'm concerned, the algorithm works great.

Re: Nebula: A paid alternative to YouTube, curated by the creators

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Post by prepend » Tue, Jun 04, 2019, 8:24 AM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #65

ehsankia wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney+ is going to completely rule that market.

Not necessarily. Kids like short home made videos as much as Disney quality films.

Disney has a bunch of shows that are just kids doing stuff. It’s scripted, but has the same ability to occupy kids time. They have production quality, but seem less than some homemade youtubers.

As a parent, I’ll settle for not having flatearth videos in my kids feed.