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Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by manigandham »

ianhowson wrote: post #268
wayoutthere wrote: post #194

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You would if you had a storage appliance on a SAN, as the SAN is almost certainly faster than a single SSD. This is an extremely common setup for video production, so it’s not out of the target market at all.

There are plenty of cheap NVMe SSDs that can push 3.5Gbytes/sec (Samsung 970, Adata XPG). Even with dual 10Gbe NICs, you can't match that, nor the low access times of local storage. But I do agree that SAN storage is the norm here.

It's usually direct-attached storage, not network-attached. They use USB-C or Thunderbolt cables to join to a RAID storage device, and then backup/archive to a network based storage pool later.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by RetroFuture »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #458
chaostheory wrote: post #412

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Is the crazy price due mainly to the all aluminum enclosure? I don’t remember the cheese grater models being priced this high accounting for inflation. Accounting for inflation, the old 2012 cheese grater models started at $3150 in 2019 dollars. The older models were $1000 cheaper

Hopefully they've included built-in battery powered GPS because at those prices and with the handy carry handles these are going to be walking away from their owners in record numbers.

They even have wheels!

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by majormunky »

chaostheory wrote: post #384
rayiner wrote: post #93

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> People just want an affordable desktop that you can easily expand over time. Who wants that? You can tell what people want based on what’s selling in the market. Most people want a laptop. Most of the rest want a Word/Excel machine. A small minority want an expandable desktop.

The same people who are into hackintoshes and used, older Mac pros on eBay. Neither community would be as large if Apple would just build a lower end desktop. Why not just update the old Mac Pro and call Mac Pro classic? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/hackintoshes-keep-gi...

Or, an i7 version and just call it “Mac”

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by chx »

My, those machined lattices will cost a tremendous amount of money. That's some Juicero level of madness but of course Apple will get away with it.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by throwaway20148 »

snazz wrote: post #108
banachtarski wrote: post #83

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MacOS does not support vendor-supplied drivers which has been the bane to every graphics engineer's existence. Supporting mac for games as a result, is a completely inane task we avoid like the plague. To me, because of the GPU, this machine is a giant paperweight.

I’d argue this is good for users, because vendor-supplied drivers always seem to have crappy updater software running at all times and send pop-ups at all hours on Windows. Vendors really need to better support open-source drivers for user experience purposes, but they don’t because they want more control over their market.

Yep, nothing better for users than a platform no one develops for with great update infrastructure.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by vondur »

linguae wrote: post #204
rkho wrote: post #181

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The new Mac Minis are really powerful. What doesn't it have that you're hoping for?

- The new Mac Mini has soldered storage. This precludes upgrading storage, replacing internal storage (which is important for preserving data due to a motherboard failure), and adding additional internal storage. - Apple finally made the RAM on the new Mac Mini upgradeable, but it is not user-serviceable; you have to get the RAM installed by an Apple-authorized repair center in order for the warranty to stay valid on…

The memory on the iMac Pro is user upgradeable, and I believe it’s the case with the new Mac Mini. One big strike against the new Mac Mini is how much the higher end CPUs are thermally throttled. Not good for a relatively expensive machine.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by joemi »

justinsaccount wrote: post #254
joemi wrote: post #232

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> the housing is much more than a decorative shell. It provides rigidity to the space frame. edit to add: Why are you trying to poke holes in Apple's use of a phrase that you've only just discovered?

Well, I thought I knew what a space frame was before. You know, those triangle based skeleton frame things. By any definition, explanation, or example I can find the new mac pro is NOT a space frame.

Just for kicks, I too google image searched for "space frame" and while most of the images were of entirely triangle-based space frames, there were in fact some that showed constructions using curved bars. So if we're using google image search as an authority, it's now proven that space frames can have curved bars. Notably, most of the curved bars I saw were in boat- or car-related designs, if you want to see the "proof" (though I would hardly call google image searching for something to be actual proof, but since it seems to be a metric you're using, I'll go with it).

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by freehunter »

llampx wrote: post #186
duskwuff wrote: post #51

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The first step up from 256GB is 2x512GB, and there's configurations up to 2x2TB. My guess is that the 256GB configuration is meant for users that work primarily with data that's kept on network storage.

There's no professional that would buy a machine with 256GB of storage. Let's call it what it is - a throwaway configuration meant to hit a price point.

If there's a single truth of Hacker News Apple threads, its that someone will eventually say "no professional would ever..." and then immediately be rebutted by multiple professionals claiming they indeed would "..." and not only would they "...", not doing "..." would be unusual and even undesirable.

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by Unklejoe »

thinkmassive wrote: post #507
ianhowson wrote: post #268

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There are plenty of cheap NVMe SSDs that can push 3.5Gbytes/sec (Samsung 970, Adata XPG). Even with dual 10Gbe NICs, you can't match that, nor the low access times of local storage. But I do agree that SAN storage is the norm here.

Thunderbolt 3 can beat that though

Thunderbolt 3 basically just provides 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0

Re: New Mac Pro

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Post by george_perez »

roboyoshi wrote: post #149
fjarlq wrote: post #142

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A member of NVIDIA's CUDA Product Management wrote in October 2018: "Apple fully control drivers for Mac OS. But if Apple allows, our engineers are ready and eager to help Apple deliver great drivers for Mac OS 10.14 (Mojave)." -- https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1042279/cuda-setup-...

well that is sad then.. Maybe they want to push the Metal platform? idk.

macOS Catalina (10.15) is entirely built on-top of Metal. So, yes.
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